Question: Is There Something Wrong With Being A Black "Nativist?"

[xoxodede]

Nativism is the political policy of promoting the interests of native inhabitants against those of immigrants, including by supporting immigration-restriction measures. In scholarly studies nativism is a standard technical term. Those who hold this political view, however, do not typically accept the label.

 

[xoxodede]

I think this will be the new "term" directed at Black Americans/ADOS.

I am really trying to understand the bad thing about it. Wouldn't every person in their respective countries want to be a "nativist"?

If anyone deserves to be a Nativist -- it's Black Americans/ADOS. I am a Libra -- so I am trying to see the other side of things -- I don't get the issue.

 

[O³ (O cubed)]

I don't have any problems with nativism. I do have a problem with every ADOS thread descending into fukk other blacks in America apart from ADOS.

If you want reparations, go for it. I'll even support you getting them. But your energy should be directed to the people holding the money and power.

 

[xoxodede]

I don't have any problems with nativism. I do have a problem with every ADOS thread descending into fukk other blacks in America apart from ADOS.

If you want reparations, go for it. I'll even support you getting them. But your energy should be directed to the people holding the money and power.

Thanks for your comment.

Every ADOS thread that does that -- does that because of some anti-ADOS comment. One that is disrespectful, unwarranted and uneducated about the purpose of the movement.

I do appreciate your comment.

Believe me, most of us are channeling our energy into our goals. Which is separate identity (ADOS) and reparations. We have to have a separate identity for our reparations claims.

Just remember -- when respect is shown -- respect is given. That is usually the issue in ADOS threads. Respect isn't shown -- so sometimes it's not given.

 

[xoxodede]

Race, Immigration, and Contested Americanness: Black Nativism and the American Labor Movement, 1880––1930 on JSTOR

 

[Hoodoo Child]

There's nothing wrong with highlighting the interests of our tribe (ADOS). Every great civilization on Earth has done this. It only becomes a problem when propaganda & violence ensues.

 

[xoxodede]

Blacks being Nativist is not new. At all.

Black Nativism: African American Politics, Nationalism and Citizenship in Baltimore and Philadelphia, 1817 to 1863
This dissertation is a study of free African American politics, in the cities of Baltimore and Philadelphia, between 1817 and 1863. At the heart of this black politics were efforts to assert the right of free African Americans to citizenship in their native United States. Claims on the ambiguous notion of citizenship were important to free blacks both as a means of improving their own lives and as a way to combat slavery. The dissertation begins with the organized black protest against the founding of the American Colonization Society. The contest over the notion, advanced by the ACS, that free blacks were not truly American, or that they could not ever be citizens in the land of their birth, powerfully shaped the language and tactics of black politics. The dissertation ends with the enlistment of black troops in the Civil War, a development which powerfully shaped subsequent arguments for full black citizenship. It argues that in this period, free African Americans developed a rhetorical language of black nativism, the assertion that birth on American soil and the contribution of one's ancestors to the American nation, had won for African Americans the right to be citizens of the United States. …
"Black Nativism: African American Politics, Nationalism and Citizenship in Baltimore and Philadelphia, 1817 to 1863" by Keith Diemer, Andrew - Journal of Pan African Studies, Vol. 5, Issue 1, March 2012 | Online Research Library: Questia

 

[xoxodede]

There's nothing wrong with highlighting basic interests as it pertains to our tribe (ADOS). Every great civilization on Earth has done this. It only becomes a problem when propaganda & violence ensues.

I agree. And we have never been violent about it -- we meaning Black Americans (ADOS). We have been vocal about it. Since the 1800's.

 

[Cadillac]

it only becomes a problem when we do it

 

[Hoodoo Child]

I agree. And we have never been violent about it -- we meaning Black Americans (ADOS). We have been vocal about it. Since the 1800's.

Absolutely.

Like I said in the other thread not too long ago "It became a problem ever since the rabbit started talking about getting a gun".

 

[xoxodede]

Absolutely.

Like I said in the other thread not too long ago "It became a problem ever since the rabbit started talking about getting a gun".

I am thinking it's because we are Black -- and of African descent. Even though - our ancestors have been here before the creation of the U.S.A.

Like the man in the OP - he makes it sound bad. But, I think Black/ADOS being nativist is one of the smartest thing we can do in this country. Putting ourselves first - over others who immigrated here.

 

[get these nets]

The conflict between free Blacks and poor whites played out across the diaspora.

In America, they would be in economic competition in the North both before and and after the Civil War. In fact, if there was ANY group that was legitimately allowed to succeed over AA, it is the white immigrant coming here from 1840s to 1924. Those were the ones allowed to join trade unions(when Black tradesman were blocked), and whose white skin gave them social, academic, housing options that African Americans could not access. Not opinion, nt exaggeration but facts. James Baldwin famously spoke about Ellis Island/Statue mocking African Americans while allowing just-come whites to enjoy American freedoms and rights.

 

[Citi Trends]

There's nothing wrong with it- atleast for everyone else. People put their group and country's needs ahead all the time.

It's only when it comes to black americans that we're supposed to be all inclusive and accommodate everyone
I guess it comes from the idea that since we're from the imperialist nation of America we're somehow supposed to:

1. feel like we should help everyone else cuz we're indirectly responsible too in someway
2. we're not supposed to feel connected to america and we aren't really americans.

yet all these people bring their ass over here to become americans and reap our benefits

I remember my grandma used to talk about immigration and its ills in relation to ados and i used to just think she was a wacked out conservative from being in Mississippi and in the army
But no, she just cared about her community.

I literally can not stand at this point when i see black people using the words "black and brown, POC, minorities". Especially when speaking to other black people
That shyt is annoying

 

[xoxodede]

The conflict between free Blacks and poor whites played out across the diaspora.

In America, they would be in economic competition in the North both before and and after the Civil War. In fact, if there was ANY group that was legitimately allowed to succeed over AA, it is the white immigrant coming here from 1840s to 1924. Those were the ones allowed to join trade unions(when Black tradesman were blocked), and whose white skin gave them social, academic, housing options that African Americans could not access. Not opinion, nt exaggeration but facts. James Baldwin famously spoke about Ellis Island/Statue mocking African Americans while allowing just-come whites to enjoy American freedoms and rights.

Very true. But, they still saw themselves as MORE American -- and the real Americans over whites and others. Whether others did -- hey -- that's their issue.

All and all -- ADOS are fundamentally American. And having the Black nativist beliefs in this day and age - is the only way to make sure we directly benefit and are taken care of.

Being under an umbrella of just "Black" or "POC" is harmful.

 

[get these nets]

I've been upfront about this. Black American nativism is one thing. I don't think anybody could or would have a problem with that. The anti-Black foreigner slant is the issue. ADOS, to me, seems defined by what it's against rather than what it promotes.