rakim vs nas who is better from a technical standpoint

[UpAndComing]

nah

Yupp Kool G Rap is the forefather of all the lyrica rappers in the 90s and 2000s

Raekwon swears by him, Nas, Big Pun, Biggie, Jay Z, etc etc

 

[Art Barr]

Art, Im not gonna argue over this. Nas surpassed Rakim in all aspects of hip hop. As well as most of the 90's Icons did.

I love 80's rap. But the progression of 90's lyricists is just far superior. I respect the Ra's, the Kane's the LL's etc... (list is long)

But, they faded in the 90's for a reason. These guys were in their 20's in the 90's at that...

and Rakim is in my top 10 just to let y'all know

You are not talembout actual skills.
Plus, even in the nineties nas was not on rakim's level as an emcee.
It is complete obvious and I know you don't want to be put on the spot about what you don't know, about emcee'n.
Plus, you don't know the particulars to this convo.

Which is why you have not talked about actual skills.

When you ready to talk about skills you will post on it.
Till, then you are doing nuffin but stanning nas.
While posturing like you know.
When, nas has no skill above rakim on an actual real technical skill base or level.

Now, granted we in this clown yauze's thread and he trolls and ruins the actual discussion of skills.
Yet and still, nas is not on rakim's level.
Nas was never on rakim's level and you know I can go indepth and have exposed.
this nas is better fallacy for close to twenty plus years now.
Nas being better than rakim is an erroneous lie.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

lol.. my argument is not that Rakim cant craft great verses. He did. Thats undeniable.

To be honest, I really hate topics like this..lol

I dont wanna be a Rakim basher just to make my points like most of these clowns do.

Like is said,...
You don't even know the technical base to even be speaking on it.


Art Barr

 

[SirBiatch]

Yupp Kool G Rap is the forefather of all the lyrica rappers in the 90s and 2000s

Raekwon swears by him, Nas, Big Pun, Biggie, Jay Z, etc etc

I respect Kool G, trust me. And he has a major influence.

But overall, I'd argue that most listeners wanted to be Rakim than Kool G. Ra was more mysterious, better looking and fashionable. You'll say "no hom0" but ultimately, men are swayed by looks too. They just don't wanna admit it.

 

[L. Deezy]

You are not talembout actual skills.
Plus, even in the nineties nas was not on rakim's level as an emcee.
It is complete obvious and I know you don't want to be put on the spot about what you don't know, about emcee'n.
Plus, you don't know the particulars to this convo.

Which is why you have not talked about actual skills.

When you ready to talk about skills you will post on it.
Till, then you are doing nuffin but stanning nas.
While posturing like you know.
When, nas has no skill above rakim on an actual real technical skill base or level.

Now, granted we in this clown yauze's thread and he trolls and ruins the actual discussion of skills.
Yet and still, nas is not on rakim's level.
Nas was never on rakim's level and you know I can go indepth and have exposed.
this nas is better fallacy for close to twenty plus years now.
Nas being better than rakim is an erroneous lie.


Art Barr

ummmmmm yeah

 

[Art Barr]

Kool G Rap >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rakim

G rap.is not better than rakim.
I know so, because I lost this long term decade convo with scoop.jackson after seventh seal.
To the point I don't even have to concede to scoop cause scoop knows I know I already lauced't.
Which is the only hip hop discussion I have lost.
As, it was stoopid to even take up the stance g rap was better.
Just because it appeared he ramped to catch rakim.
From a large number of the best feature verses for a decade.
Yet, in that g rap on his last album was still lacking in skill to rakim on the seventh seal.
G rap's and everyone in rap history is inferior skillwise to rakim, in everything from intangibles.
to his technical skill of writing rhymes.

There is no discussion in this and you don't know emcee'n if you think differently.


Art Barr

 

[infamousred]

If you're talking about over their entire careers then its a slap in the face to both ra and g to act like nas is better but if you want to say nas in his prime eclipsed both I'm not going to argue that. Holding it down on the same level is much harder for 20+ years than 4 at the most.

 

[UpAndComing]

I respect Kool G, trust me. And he has a major influence.

But overall, I'd argue that most listeners wanted to be Rakim than Kool G. Ra was more mysterious, better looking and fashionable. You'll say "no hom0" but ultimately, men are swayed by looks too. They just don't wanna admit it.

Whether or not people wanted to be more like Rakim is more of a popularity contest
But as far as skills on the mic, Kool G Rap kills
And as much as it would burn to some people, Kool G Rap was doing the multi-syllabic rhyme style at the same time Rakim was doing it in the late 80s. Rakim isn't a "predecessor" of anything

And what you wrote is indicative of what I'm talking about. The media chose to ride with Rakim cause he was the more mysterious one, the more cool one
Plus G Rap's flow is still tight today even after 30 years. Rakim can't say that

 

[UpAndComing]

Nas wouldn't exist without the R.

Nas wouldn't exist without G Rap

 

[SirBiatch]

Whether or not people wanted to be more like Rakim is more of a popularity contest
But as far as skills on the mic, Kool G Rap kills
And as much as it would burn to some people, Kool G Rap was doing the multi-syllabic rhyme style at the same time Rakim was doing it in the late 80s. Rakim isn't a "predecessor" of anything

And what you wrote is indicative of what I'm talking about. The media chose to ride with Rakim cause he was the more mysterious one, the more cool one
Plus G Rap's flow is still tight today even after 30 years. Rakim can't say that

all fair points.

But Ra had a better voice and didn't rap with a lisp. That alone > G Rap

 

[MrTibbs]

I downloaded Rakim's discography the other day and Rakim is on another level. You have to consider that Ra was spitting like a rap god in 1987. Let that sink in for a second. Almost 30 years ago. Anyone else spitting at that time, sounds dated and their flow is lame but Ra had a way with words and his voice was commanding. Also, take into account that Ra didn't curse.

Without Rakim, Nas would be nowhere near as acclaimed as he is.

And without T-Model Ford there would be no Lambos

Rakim is ill no doubt and he definitely influenced Nas

I think Nas is really another level of MC tho. I also think Tragedy Khadafi and Mega had a major influence on him being from the same hood. Check out Live Motivator Set it Off if you don't believe me.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Nas has not added on to any technical rubrick that rakim advanced.
Again on no day is nas as good as rakim.


Art Barr

So you're bumping Ra's latest album?

 

[scuba]

Ehhhh i will off top concede rakim flow is more entwined precisely with the rhythm, and will off top concede rakim has better enunciation... thats kinda undebateable.

I think its pretty undebatable that Nas is better at story telling from a technical standpoint than rakim.

I cant call it on multis or things of that nature, the two are elite level and probably could go back and forth for dozens of verses if we went example by example... since nas repertoire is deeper at this point he might get it just off volume, but i dont think thats a valid way to judge this... they both have a very large volume of elite level rhyme structures.

i think it really comes down to whether you rate the preciseness of flow or storytelling skills with more weight.

 

[Art Barr]

So you're bumping Ra's latest album?

I was the guy who reviewed it and it was a hook away and one bad feature away from being a classic record.
Nas has not made a real classic lp since illmatic.
Nor has nas really made an album. as good as rakim coming back on universal the second time..after, being on mca.
Plus, rakim raps circles around nas.
To the point nas does not have a complete technical rubrick and if we are being honest is getting help from his peers.
While Ra actually used to do all the work from the boards to the mic.
All to cover up Eric b, lacking.
To then go work with dre and then back to basically orchestrating his entire projects again.


Art Barr

 

[Alexander Wiggin]

I was the guy who reviewed it and it was a hook away and one bad feature away from being a classic record.
Nas has not made a real classic lp since illmatic.
Nor has nas really made an album. as good as rakim coming back on universal the second time..after, being on mca.
Plus, rakim raps circles around nas.
To the point nas does nit have a technical rubrick and if we are being honest is getting help.from his peers.
While Ra actually used to do all the work from the boards to the mic.
All to cover up Eric b, lacking.
To then go work with dre and then back to basically orchestrating his entire projects again.


Art Barr

lol, there's no such thing at one bad featuring or hook away from being a classic. all classic albums got at least one flaw somewhere

rakim is so ahead of nas that we never seen him got challenge the other greats on they own records. he reminds me of bjorn borg, great talent that retreat early at his peak afraid of competition or going downhill

and being multitask never been a way to rate an emcee. eminem can produce music too

with all due respect rakim always had the same delivery and rhyme structure. that's why even if he could always drop a nice verse, it gets kinda boring. always thought g rap >

this track alone prove that both surpassed ra



and this is the guy supposed to be a rap expert