OperationNumbNutts
Superstar
I disagree. There are parents who do a great job and their kids still take the knucklehead route in life.
“Rap doesn’t influence anyone to commit crimes”
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Techniec
Drugs and Kalashnikovs
I hate the actor comparison
Marlon Brando didn't need to be from Italy or New York to play that role. In rap reality and music is intertwined.
There's literally a huge thread right now on this website asking if Rick Ross is the biggest fraud in entertainment history. Why? Because he raps about drugs and was once a corrections officer.
These people know they're being disingenuous when they're making the comparison. That thread would NEVER be made about Keanu Reeves.
Is Rick Ross the most successful FRAUD in entertainment History????
I've been thinking about this for awhile I can't really think of anyone else who is as much of a fraud as Ross is and made it to the heights that he has:patrice: It's very interesting to me now that I think about it. He really is the real life MC Gusto:mjlol:took another man's entire personality...
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murksiderock
Superstar
(LONG POST ALERT)
I'm about to go deeper than akota nikkas on here wanna engage or may even have the ability to engage upon...
The physical influences in your environment are the strongest factor by a wide margin. Even with that Saud, I hate when people act like if you grew up with absent or shytty parents, or grew up in violence-plagued, drug-infested neighborhoods with adults you were in care of addicts ir criminals, that you turn out the same way because those were the influences around you...
Because that isn't true. Plenty of people come from terrible situations abd it's those backgrounds that make them go the other way. Everyone who grows up in poverty and chaos and violence doesn't turn into a criminal, anyone who thinks they do hasn't spent enough time in the hood or with people who really grew up in the hood...
Likewise, everyone who had solid parents and didn't grow up in chaos don't stay straight, so then the question becomes what influenced them to detour...
The problem with this conversation is everybody wants to be right and neither side leaves room for the reality that there's nuance and a big grey area here...
The specific issue with the popularity of modern hip hop going back 35 years now, is that it is the predominate image of blackness that is marketed mainstream. Hip hop is more popular today than it was even a decade ago, let alone 30-40 years ago, and is the biggest genre of music internationally and certainly in the US. The main content of hip hop depicts us as violent, misogynistic, and criminals, and our women as whores, and all of us as low-intellect humans...
This is rooted in historic mapping in the United States, hip hop is just the new vehicle that promotes it mainstream, and anyone BLACK who doesn't have an issue with that are either in denial or lost. Depicting black men and women as sexual fetishes, whores, dumb, violent, and criminals IS. NOT. A. NEW. THING. It's a tried and true formula that this nation has practiced from our introduction to this haunted land and they literally built laws around these images of blackness, the fact that economically we are still at the bottom of the totem pole, and socially we are near the bottom in this country, are rooted in these widespread depictions of blackness...
If you're black and don't know the history of how BLACK PEOPLE have been marketed in this country, you have every opportunity to educate yourself, if you're on this board you can use this same internet to educate yourself. If you're BLACK and know the history of how black people have been marketed in this country and don't have an issue with it, you are part of the issue...
I'm about to go deeper than akota nikkas on here wanna engage or may even have the ability to engage upon...
The physical influences in your environment are the strongest factor by a wide margin. Even with that Saud, I hate when people act like if you grew up with absent or shytty parents, or grew up in violence-plagued, drug-infested neighborhoods with adults you were in care of addicts ir criminals, that you turn out the same way because those were the influences around you...
Because that isn't true. Plenty of people come from terrible situations abd it's those backgrounds that make them go the other way. Everyone who grows up in poverty and chaos and violence doesn't turn into a criminal, anyone who thinks they do hasn't spent enough time in the hood or with people who really grew up in the hood...
Likewise, everyone who had solid parents and didn't grow up in chaos don't stay straight, so then the question becomes what influenced them to detour...
The problem with this conversation is everybody wants to be right and neither side leaves room for the reality that there's nuance and a big grey area here...
The specific issue with the popularity of modern hip hop going back 35 years now, is that it is the predominate image of blackness that is marketed mainstream. Hip hop is more popular today than it was even a decade ago, let alone 30-40 years ago, and is the biggest genre of music internationally and certainly in the US. The main content of hip hop depicts us as violent, misogynistic, and criminals, and our women as whores, and all of us as low-intellect humans...
This is rooted in historic mapping in the United States, hip hop is just the new vehicle that promotes it mainstream, and anyone BLACK who doesn't have an issue with that are either in denial or lost. Depicting black men and women as sexual fetishes, whores, dumb, violent, and criminals IS. NOT. A. NEW. THING. It's a tried and true formula that this nation has practiced from our introduction to this haunted land and they literally built laws around these images of blackness, the fact that economically we are still at the bottom of the totem pole, and socially we are near the bottom in this country, are rooted in these widespread depictions of blackness...
If you're black and don't know the history of how BLACK PEOPLE have been marketed in this country, you have every opportunity to educate yourself, if you're on this board you can use this same internet to educate yourself. If you're BLACK and know the history of how black people have been marketed in this country and don't have an issue with it, you are part of the issue...
murksiderock
Superstar
Hip hop is the new vehicle. We've ALWAYS, ALWAYS been showcased as less than here. It's a continuation of American tradition here and everyone black should have a problem with it if you understand hip hop is just the modern evolution of what has always been here...
The marketing of blackness made it easier to not just create, but solidify the social conditions that drove many people to lives of crime...
Why should the historic imagery of American blackness, and it's evolution into hip hop form, matter to black people? This is an easy question to answer...
Because if you're BLACK and you grew up on US soil around other BLACK PEOPLE, then you KNOW all black people aren't violent or criminals or idiots or whores. If you know this but don't have a problem with public perception of black people as who we are marketed as, you're fukking crazy. Why wouldn't BLACK PEOPLE have an issue with our depiction? Why don't so many of you have an issue with how we are depicted?
Because guess what? A whole lot of non-blacks, most of them, don't grow up around us. And given we're less than 15% of the population here, where do you think these non-blacks get there perceptions of black people from?
•from the public display of who we are shown to be thru art (film, lit, music);
•from how we publicly portray ourselves to be in non-black or cross-racial spaces (work, schools, stores and other venues where we encounter nonblack people);
•from highlighted segments of what is broadcasted on all forms of media that happens within black spaces (our schools, our families, our neighborhoods)...
The marketing of blackness made it easier to not just create, but solidify the social conditions that drove many people to lives of crime...
Why should the historic imagery of American blackness, and it's evolution into hip hop form, matter to black people? This is an easy question to answer...
Because if you're BLACK and you grew up on US soil around other BLACK PEOPLE, then you KNOW all black people aren't violent or criminals or idiots or whores. If you know this but don't have a problem with public perception of black people as who we are marketed as, you're fukking crazy. Why wouldn't BLACK PEOPLE have an issue with our depiction? Why don't so many of you have an issue with how we are depicted?
Because guess what? A whole lot of non-blacks, most of them, don't grow up around us. And given we're less than 15% of the population here, where do you think these non-blacks get there perceptions of black people from?
•from the public display of who we are shown to be thru art (film, lit, music);
•from how we publicly portray ourselves to be in non-black or cross-racial spaces (work, schools, stores and other venues where we encounter nonblack people);
•from highlighted segments of what is broadcasted on all forms of media that happens within black spaces (our schools, our families, our neighborhoods)...
murksiderock
Superstar
These muhfukkas, especially the young ones, take their cues on who black people are from black music and imagery of blackness. And in our most impoverished areas where black parenting is wanting, the kids we do have who are influenced within the environment are also influenced by these images too, if you think they aren't you're crazy. Those black kids who don't have strong symbols of blackness around them physically are bombarded by the public imagery of blackness, and thus can be influenced from both sides (the physical abd the media) simultaneously...
All this shyt matters and all this shyt is interconnected...
Do I think hip hop inherently influences people to go criminal? Nah, but I think hip hop doesn't exist in a vacuum in and of itself. I think hip hop coupled with your ideology of what is cool can be emotionally deadly and influence someone in concert, it isn't an either/or thing. If your ideology of what is cool are your boys or guys you aspired to be like who are dealers, coupled with the obvious mass marketing of black men as dealers in our most popular genre if music, they work in concert...
I ran the streets for 13 years, essentially my age 15 thru 28 years of life, and traveled across states, interacted with many, many people from outside to the yards. Everybody I encountered in that journey didn't come from crippling poverty, or broken homes, or chaotic violent hoods. Not even close to every person, so the argument that the physical environment influences the person is nuanced...
Because again if you're really black you know people from that origin who didn't venture into that lifestyle...
There are thousands of muhfukkas who didn't even start the lane of criminal lifestyle until they were into adulthood, into or out of college, etc. Who influenced them? Because again, I'm not of the belief that hip hop is the primary influence regardless for most people, but people less emotionally mature are more prone to be influenced in concert by hip hop, with whoever they know around them or whatever circumstance around then that is influencing them...
It's multifaceted. There's a grey area. Being a solid parent is the quickest path to keeping your kids right but being a solid parent only starts the path, it's up to the individual to finish it once they reach adulthood. A whole lot of parents get shytted on for choices muhfukkas make as adults that they weren't subjected to because of poor parenting as an adolescent...
More than anything though, I have an issue with how we are depicted, and I think most people who have had the misfortune of working or living around nonblacks understands where I'm going here, and why everyone BLACK should find the primary marketing of black people offensive....
All this shyt matters and all this shyt is interconnected...
Do I think hip hop inherently influences people to go criminal? Nah, but I think hip hop doesn't exist in a vacuum in and of itself. I think hip hop coupled with your ideology of what is cool can be emotionally deadly and influence someone in concert, it isn't an either/or thing. If your ideology of what is cool are your boys or guys you aspired to be like who are dealers, coupled with the obvious mass marketing of black men as dealers in our most popular genre if music, they work in concert...
I ran the streets for 13 years, essentially my age 15 thru 28 years of life, and traveled across states, interacted with many, many people from outside to the yards. Everybody I encountered in that journey didn't come from crippling poverty, or broken homes, or chaotic violent hoods. Not even close to every person, so the argument that the physical environment influences the person is nuanced...
Because again if you're really black you know people from that origin who didn't venture into that lifestyle...
There are thousands of muhfukkas who didn't even start the lane of criminal lifestyle until they were into adulthood, into or out of college, etc. Who influenced them? Because again, I'm not of the belief that hip hop is the primary influence regardless for most people, but people less emotionally mature are more prone to be influenced in concert by hip hop, with whoever they know around them or whatever circumstance around then that is influencing them...
It's multifaceted. There's a grey area. Being a solid parent is the quickest path to keeping your kids right but being a solid parent only starts the path, it's up to the individual to finish it once they reach adulthood. A whole lot of parents get shytted on for choices muhfukkas make as adults that they weren't subjected to because of poor parenting as an adolescent...
More than anything though, I have an issue with how we are depicted, and I think most people who have had the misfortune of working or living around nonblacks understands where I'm going here, and why everyone BLACK should find the primary marketing of black people offensive....
Thelonious Napz
All Star
It absolutely can, well at least with certain artists and images shown. Ask me how I know? I was a 50, G-Unit stan at tender age of 7 yrs old. And I was wild. 
I'll always love Hip Hop and Rap but nikkas need to stop lying to themselves when it comes to this topic.
I'll always love Hip Hop and Rap but nikkas need to stop lying to themselves when it comes to this topic.
Well Vanilla Ice and Eminem don't have to be Black to rap. Justin Bieber doesn't have to Black or even American to do whatever that stuff is that he is doing.
You guys are contributing to racism against Black people by blaming rap music for people not raising their damn kids. Curtis Mayfield sang about drugs and depravity back in the 70s but nobody blamed him for people becoming druggies. Nobody blamed Rick James for people smoking weed. Nobody blames Elton John, Freddie Mercury or George Michael's for White boys becoming sissies, but everybody wants to blame Black musicians for everything.
This is so wrong lol
It absolutely can, well at least with certain artists and images shown. Ask me how I know? I was a 50, G-Unit stan at tender age of 7 yrs old. And I was wild.
I'll always love Hip Hop and Rap but nikkas need to stop lying to themselves when it comes to this topic.
How many nikkas you shot because of G Unit music?
Techniec
Drugs and Kalashnikovs
Nah man you can't tell me there wasnt a line back then, in terms of what was acceptable what was culturally mainstream etc compared to now
Techniec
Drugs and Kalashnikovs
I'm definitely not saying it's all in the music
But I'm also definitely not saying music got nothing to do with it, you can't tell me that
I think the issue is it’s not much balance now. Cause you had hella negative music back then and hella positive music now. But what’s mainstream is mostly the negative. Back in the day it was more balance and more positive music was promoted and mainstream.
Antwon Mitchell
Banned
No majority of youth in America aren't commiting crimes because of rap music.
Very unlikely to hear a person say “the music made me do it” as that would just dive deeper into a person's mental health (something that this country doesn't want to talk about) which is the one of the main culprits behind what makes some people act out crimes.
The others being a person's environment and the everyday life situations they face which causes motivations to live foul and take part in criminality.
Very unlikely to hear a person say “the music made me do it” as that would just dive deeper into a person's mental health (something that this country doesn't want to talk about) which is the one of the main culprits behind what makes some people act out crimes.
The others being a person's environment and the everyday life situations they face which causes motivations to live foul and take part in criminality.
shyt, we got a whole ass thread or two of Young Berg saying he wanted to abandon his luxury life because of listening to rap
Yea, came to post these.
Movies are also higly influential. People may not have joined the mafia because they have strict membership requirements, but people weren't inspired by The Birth of a Nation? American Pie? Taxi Driver? A Clockwork Orange? Fifty Shades of Grey?