Real talk: looking back, most of that def jux/anticon/rhymesayers indie nerd rap was fukking garbage

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One of the biggest problems with that era was the paper thin production and wack/weak drums. Really don't see how dudes could grow up listening to Pete Rock and then make shyt like that...

and they would ALWAYS make those struggle claims to validate their wack ass non-hip hop. "Yo I grew up on BDP and DJ Premier. That's why I make shyt tracks with garbage voices and nonexistant drums for exclusively white nerds."

I've said this before, but 2000s was the death of hip hop in multiple ways, not just the mainstream. The underground became unlistenable after a certain point.

I don't know if that sort is still around on other boards, or if they stopped listening to rap altogether, but i'm glad I don't encounter them here.

I'd say the vast majority stopped listening to rap. And it's expected. They were never hip hop fans like that. They sure loved to pretend though.

Its garbage now because it was garbage back then too

Cold Vein and Deadringer were classics and there was some scattered stuff that was alright, but overall it was trash

There was underground Hip Hop like Doom, then there was this shyt which was backpack trash

Cold Vein was and still is trash to me.

This is the only Can Ox track I've ever played repeatedly:



I've never heard Deadringer though I know about rjd2. worth checking out?
 

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and they would ALWAYS make those struggle claims to validate their wack ass non-hip hop. "Yo I grew up on BDP and DJ Premier. That's why I make shyt tracks with garbage voices and nonexistant drums for exclusively white nerds."

I've said this before, but 2000s was the death of hip hop in multiple ways, not just the mainstream. The underground became unlistenable after a certain point.



I'd say the vast majority stopped listening to rap. And it's expected. They were never hip hop fans like that. They sure loved to pretend though.



Cold Vein was and still is trash to me.

This is the only Can Ox track I've ever played repeatedly:



I've never heard Deadringer though I know about rjd2. worth checking out?


Yeah, it's an instrumental album (I think there's a couple tracks with Copyrwrite I think). Haven't listened to it in a long time. I'm a EL-P fan (Can Ox too) so we might differ in taste, even though RJD2 is closer to "classic" HH than EL-P.

@1984 would you put the High & Mighty and the whole ECR crew in the same bag? Prob closer to early Rawkus and "traditionnal" HH than Def Jux and them though, they had some good records.
 

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This is why the high nature of attrition in Music is good. Whether your stuff is ignorant/cliche and trend-pandering or pretentiously backpack, if it's corny people will eventually figure it out and hit you with the :camby:

Whether it's snap music or fratboy college rap, lame shyt usually doesn't last.
 

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Sage francis has a great discography that I still visit from time to time

One of the most underrated wordsmiths in hip-hop


Who the fukk is hot Karl?

I remember he had a cut on NBA Live 03 or one of those early 2000 years. White boy kinda went in but it almost paved the way for raps that are provided to us by Riff Raff now :francis:
 
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