Real Talk, Lyrics Don't Matter, Beats>>All

[CashmereThoughts]

Hot nikka beat didn't do shyt when banks had it.

 

[YeLovesBoston]

Lyrics = beats

 

[YeLovesBoston]

I'd rather hear Eminem on a Dre beat then Rae Sremmurd on a MikeWilmadeit beat

 

[YeLovesBoston]

Name one rapper from this generation who had a platinum album solely off of beats.

Jay Z, Eminem, Drake, Kendrick, J. Cole, and even Macklemore and Nicki are appreciated for their lyrical content. People who buy their albums don't buy it for the production, they but it for the artist.

 

[SirBiatch]

Nas didn't have incredible beats backing him

Every single beat on Illmatic is an incredible beat. Some of the best beats of all time are on that album.

"Nas Is Like" and "Made You Look" are some of the best beats ever made in the genre.

What do you consider an incredible beat?

....and Pac didn't have crazy beats till he signed to Deathrow

I partly agree but he had some great joints before then.

a lot of 90s rappers didn't have CRAZY beats like hip hop has had post 2000

huh?!

Post 2000 were some of the shyttiest beats hip hop has ever heard.

What made artists legends and what made their music stand the test of time was what they were saying first and foremost, followed by the beat; not the other way around

hell no.

 

[SirBiatch]

well... Lil Wayne - A Milli became a hit while the beat is trash

what?! That's arguably the best beat Wayne has EVER rhymed on.

You really think people got into that track because of Wayne's acapellas?

Sometimes I wonder with y'all thoughts...

 

[meth68]

I can't be the only one who feels this way.
What's point of nice lines if the instrumentals don't get you.
I would listen to Rae Shremmund or Migos than Eneimen

For album sales and radio play you are 100% correct, just ask fab, jada and nas. But as far as stuff that STAYS on my playlist you couldnt be more wrong.

 

[Professor Polo]

Every single beat on Illmatic is an incredible beat. Some of the best beats of all time are on that album.

"Nas Is Like" and "Made You Look" are some of the best beats ever made in the genre.

What do you consider an incredible beat?



I partly agree but he had some great joints before then.



huh?!

Post 2000 were some of the shyttiest beats hip hop has ever heard.



hell no.

You're discussing one album over a 20 year career... I'm a Nas fan... but let's not act like one of the biggest gripes people have against Nas is his productition choices throughout the years.

 

[ORDER_66]

Nah songs like Ether disapproves the OP's thesis.... and even though the beat on ether was fire. Nas lyrics, hook and flow overall sealed the shyt.

when you have mc's on a hot beat. the shyt becomes legend.

 

[SirBiatch]

You're discussing one album over a 20 year career... I'm a Nas fan... but let's not act like one of the biggest gripes people have against Nas is his productition choices throughout the years.

yes.

But Nas has rhymed on several incredible beats since then. Due to sheer number of tracks. The problem is: Nas has a huge discography. 50% is unlistenable because the beats are trash. And out of that 50%, 99% have great rhymes.

That's the issue: Why is Nas wasting gold on shytty beats? It doesn't mean that every beat since Illmatic is shytty. If you add up the number of great beats Nas has rhymed on since Illmatic, it'll eclipse most nikkas' catalog

Nah songs like Ether disapproves the OP's thesis.... and even though the beat on ether was fire. Nas lyrics, hook and flow overall sealed the shyt.

when you have mc's on a hot beat. the shyt becomes legend.

exception does not make the rule.

No one bumps Ether on a regular basis. And Nas could only get away with that because he spit with so much vitriol. Besides, diss tracks are a different animal when it comes to hip hop. It's pretty much the only case when people first and foremost care about "yo, what did he say" before anything.

 

[TEKBEATZ]

What other forums are there?

 

[tybo]

This thread is depressing! No one wants to hear terrible beats but great lyrics with even simply OK beats can make a classic record!

 

[that_boy_kilso]

Beats by itself aint shyt... Flow+Delivery+Beats will save a song with bad lyrics tho...

But dope lyrics and dope flow on a okay beat will turn out a dope song...

 

[doct3rdr3]

"Dope beats, dope rhymes, what more do y'all want?"



This is an interesting philosophical question. I think for radio/club play in 2015, the important factors are:

Beat > Intonation/Vocal Inflection > Flow > Rhymes > Lyrical content

where "Catchyness" is comprised of a combination of Intonation/Vocal Inflection, Flow, and Rhymes, that when taken together, becomes more valuable than the beat alone.




For my own taste, I think it goes:

Beat > Rhymes > Flow > Intonation/Vocal Inflection > Lyrical content

Years ago, I think I would have just said Beat > Rhymes > Lyrical content >>> ... But as these other factors have become more central to modern Hip-Hop music, I've grown to appreciate things like Flow a lot more.

 

[ORDER_66]

exception does not make the rule.

No one bumps Ether on a regular basis

I do, muthafukka....