REAL TALK: When Did Hip-Hop Get So Lazy?

[mson]

YOUNGER ARTISTS GREW UP LISTENING TO NOTHING BUT HIP HOP, SO ALL THEY KNOW IS HOW TO REHASH shyt THAT WAS ALREADY REHASHED, BROTHER!

Great theory.

nikkas always cry about this, but hip hop is in a good space in my opinion. The gangster rap era is finally dying. You have alot of creative, dope, gifted artists that's a good look for Hip Hop.
TDE, MMG, Pro Era, Vince Staples, Earl, J. Cole, Cozz, Lupe, Bishop Nehru, Action Bronson, Big KRIT, Logic, etc. and some Old rappers are still putting out quality projects. I mean what more do nikkas want..Stop listening to mainstream bullshyt, there's a plethora of dope artists that's killing the game right now.

Finally dying? That eras been dead though.

 

[Triangularbirds]

I think people still have hopes 90s quality is back. Kendrick dope but he has a way to go to get a crown. A long way

for sure, dude's still young tho. His old shyt tends to be forgotten but OD and Section .80 were dope records

 

[LogicFirst]

for sure, dude's still young tho. His old shyt tends to be forgotten but OD and Section .80 were dope records

Excellent point

 

[PhonZhi]

shyt close minded nikkas say, nikka you soundin like some generic jehovah's witness/conspirationist

Anyways, kendrick's last album wasnt lazy, or badly-written and it had good prods, some people in this thread will hate but yall know its true

"Conspiricist", it never fails. You HAVE to be white to not want to acknowledge all of the DECEPTIVE METHODS the white man has used throughout history to oppress the black race. After all of the other tactics they've used to oppress us, why is it so far-fetched for u to think that they would INTENTIONALLY MANIPULATE our music in an attempt to take advantage of its power and influence? You do know that rappers for years has been paid to promote certain brands in their songs rite? You know why rite? Because these artists and the music are HIGHLY influential and people will go out and purchase these brands simply because a rapper tells them to. Do u disagree with this? So again, why am i a "conspiricist" for thinking that "the powers that be" saw how influential(in a positive way) rap was becoming in the early 90s and decided to purposely change it to the negativity we hear today? You really think its THAT much of a reach?

 

[Triangularbirds]

You really think its THAT much of a reach?

are you seriously asking me this breh ?

with that shyt

 

[PhonZhi]

are you seriously asking me this breh ?

with that shyt

Yea, u gotta be white. I understand you not being able to comprehend. You literally cant. My bad, i thought u were black.

 

[SoulController]

i thought that Staples record was horrible too. some of the worst Clams/No ID beats ever, and hes boring

dudes all in the thread like KANG VINCE/VINCE DA GAWD

 

[Zero]

Do you honestly believe there was a 'secret meeting?'

If I go to platform nine and 3 quarters, will I end up in Hogwarts?

 

[Yuzo]

We're all waiting for a new, improved sound with classic Hip Hop in it.

 

[letti cook]

saw an interview where Mannie Fresh, the gawd of 808s,snare rolls, and hihat triplets..was like "aye!...chill with the 808s. Its time"

 

[Yoda]

2005 ish. The houston takeover was the beginning of the end.

You heartless b*stard *hits you on ignore*

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

So black people dont believe in the intentional manipulation of hiphop. So black people are unaware of media propaganda. Thats how they want us

Yes there is manipulation going on behind the scenes, but the majority of aspiring and signed rappers make the final decision and choice on their subject matter. They choose to rap about the ills and evils over being righteous and less popularity.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

This is probably gonna blow your mind breh
but the vast majority of popular music is targeting children
and teenagers.

That's not how it used to be.

Motown, The Beatles, Nirvana, etc. . . were not targeting children.

It's something that has become more prevalent as time has gone on.

Once criticism was no longer allowed. Think about it. Everything is hate if you don't run with the masses. Nobody can tell a story worth telling. Everyone fukking your bytch. New whips and have all the money. No diversity because criticism is not allowed.

This is HUGE>

nikkaz used to call other nikkaz out all the time. KRS called out Melle Me, Kool Moe Dee called out LL, and all this shyt used to happen all the time.

nikkaz used to call out Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and all that pop shyt especially when it was wack, now nikkaz are afraid of being called a "hater"

To be honest...hiphop has always been lazy to a degree..the origins of it, as well as the majority of classic hiphop songs are based on sampling other genres of music

I disagree. nikkaz used to spend months and months to find those samples.

It would've been "lazier" to just go to their local musicians and pay them to replay what was on the records.

Real Hip-HOp producers like Premier, RZA, Kanye, etc. . . were fukking crate diggers who devoted their whole lives to finding little snippets of records.

Puff Daddy is dope compared to this shyt though.
I respect Puff as an artist.

Don't admit that shyt in public homie

There is one particular region heavily endorsing this.

That's kinda true.

When syrup started, the beats started getting real 808 heavy and everything slowed the fukk down and all that screwed up shyt started taking advantage of that shyt and making strip club rap

nikkas always cry about this, but hip hop is in a good space in my opinion. The gangster rap era is finally dying. You have alot of creative, dope, gifted artists that's a good look for Hip Hop.
TDE, MMG, Pro Era, Vince Staples, Earl, J. Cole, Cozz, Lupe, Bishop Nehru, Action Bronson, Big KRIT, Logic, etc. and some Old rappers are still putting out quality projects. I mean what more do nikkas want..Stop listening to mainstream bullshyt, there's a plethora of dope artists that's killing the game right now.

I kinda agree with you. J. Cole, Lupe, Kendrick, Jay Rock, etc. . . are bringing it.

And I do kinda think that Hip-Hop is a little bit better off than it was in the "Laffy Taffy" era in the mid 2000s, but the shyt on radio is so generic in most cases.

shyt close minded nikkas say, nikka you soundin like some generic jehovah's witness/conspirationist

Anyways, kendrick's last album wasnt lazy, or badly-written and it had good prods, some people in this thread will hate but yall know its true

I aint hatin'.

The Kendrick joint is a bonafide 4.5/5 mics. It's a classic no-brainer.

 

[Insensitive]

That's not how it used to be.

Motown, The Beatles, Nirvana, etc. . . were not targeting children.

It's something that has become more prevalent as time has gone on.

LolWut

The Rolling Stones, The beach boys, The beatles, The monkeez all of those
of 1950's/1960's Rock N' Roll bands were primarily targeting young adults/teens.
This is without mentioning that they were young people themselves when making
that music.
That's also who Berry Gordy and his loads of producers and artists were targeting.
The young Black/White dollar.
Marvin ? Stevie ? The Temptations ? The Supremes ? Jackie Wilson ? And all of the other artists
on these labels and other labels with similar goals WERE NOT targeting adults.


It's BEEN prevalent because they (Labels and musicians...) recognized this EARLY ON.
"Young people" probably recognized the brilliance in Mozart and Beethoven but they
didn't dance to it in the 1940's/1930's because Jazz was tearing up the charts (Swing was THE dance
music then....).
"Young People" probably saw the brilliance of Bebop artists but they didn't dance to it
because by then Jazz was on it's way to being replaced by Rock music as a dominant force
in (Popular) American music.
"Young people" still do think Rock is cool but for the most part Hip Hop has carved out it's
on niche in the past 30-40 years and well people still like dancing to it

I say this without mention Funk/Soul/Disco all of which heavily focus on common time
and being danceable.


Pretty much all of these art forms changed a great deal as they moved away from
being "Music you dance too" to "Music you listen intently too".
Usually once that happens the young people find SOMETHING ELSE, there's a reason
Electronic Dance Music has and still does have a hold on the public and probably will
for the foreseeable future.

"Popular Music " WAS and STILL IS in some ways seen as disposable, it's only now that
decades have past that people realize the popular song has staying power and can
be considered great like the "Art music" of European Masters (Beethoven, Brahms, Bach etc.)

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

I've been listening to a lot of Hip-Hop lately and outside of like a few really dope records, there seems to be this overriding trend of these really lazy sounding records with nothing but 808 beats and weird synth lines and an MC just spitting like "meh", or even worst, this half singing/half rapping kind of Drake, Fetty Wap, Future, type bullshyt.

I mean, the production's lazy, the lyrics are lazy. I had a headache after listening to the last A$AP Rocky joint. That shyt made me wanna slap @SirBiatch for having this nikka as his avatar.

Then, I was listening to the Earl Sweatshirt record and it's like more lazy, weird shyt with 808 beats.

Who the fukk are they impressing with this shyt? Who's buying this shyt.

Even the Vince Staples record was disappointing to me. A fukking long ass album with just weird ass beats and 808s and I'm like, "what the fukk, Hip-Hop".

On another note, that Ghostface/Badbadnotgood record is dope as fukk, so at least I got something to listen to.

nobody is buying the shyt.. which is the entire reason i can't understand the shyt


who's actually moving records


kendrick... actually raps

cole.... actually raps

wayne.. he tries at least to rap

drake... raps and sings

meek... actually raps

wale... actually raps

nicki... jay... em... etc etc etc


everyone you just named, with the exception of drake who started that sing/rap shyt and wayne, who first made rapping with autotune popular...... all these new school dudes withthat flow AIN'T SELLING shyt

yet if you want to get signed... you need to sound like them

what the fukk???


why wouldn't they be trying to get rappers like the ones who are actually selling... instead of keep on copying what doesn't work