Realistically Speaking - How Many More Rings Can LeBron Win?

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He's probably been dealing with this shyt for months, as you can clearly see he's still dealing with mobility issues in the PS. He ain't moving like he was last season.


I mentioned Kyrie's injury back at the same time in the thread talking about why he was resting games. But a lot of these lapses aren't just mobility. He still ballwatches, he still doesn't know what to do on a pick-and-roll...he's a problematic player in team defense no matter what his health is like, and I think the idea that it's all regular season-shyt and he just ups his game for the playoffs isn't founded on a ton.

If this is all injury though, and Kyrie isn't getting any better in these playoffs....Cavs are completely screwed for the Finals. I'm gonna say the same thing I said in 2015. What do you gain by playing him against the Celtics? He's not resting it, and he might aggravate it. At the very least, injuries are more likely when you're fatigued...so ensure that he has as little fatigue as possible going into GS. Do you really need him against little Isaiah, especially with the offense hopping and a real backup PG on the team now? Just put him on ice until the playoffs. They got two road games to start against the Warriors, so he has time to work his way back in if he needs to.
 

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Today's NBA will prolong "primes" plus he's in the east so I'm not really sure why everyone if talking about this supposed decline he's going to have soon
 
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He had a great Finals last year.
He had a GREAT postseason, not just Finals.
That doesn't mean that you "know" he raises his play for the postseason.
:gucci:

I've been following Kyrie's career since HS, I think it's safe to say I can identify when he raises his game. He was averaging under 20 ppg in the regular season last year and increased his scoring by SIX points on greater efficency in the playoffs, with more playmaking duties in a higher pressurized environment.
You're basing that claim on literally ONE postseason (mostly around what he did against an opposing point guard who wasn't 100% in the Finals) and using it to disregard what he's shown in every regular season of his career.
:dwillhuh:

What exactly are you saying in this statement? That his regular season performances aren't any different than what he's produced on a postseason stage? And please, like I said above, he played great basketball all throughout the first, second, and third rounds - not just the Finals. I fear the LeBron stan in you is rearing its ugly head again.
Hmmm....sometimes you just struck a little bit of a different tone.
First of all, did you see where I posted - "You should be eternally grateful to Kyrie, because without him you'd probably have to drop a lot of the material you use to defend Bron."

Clearly those posts you quoted (without the proper context) aren't really different in tone to that statement.

I) Those posts you quoted about me referring to him as the "GOAT", are in the moment and I've been saying them since 2012/2013. I can guarantee you, if you search my name with the keywords GOAT and just about any NBA player's name you'll come up with results.
This form of Bron could be GOAT. :lupe:

II. That "KYRIE DA GAWD MVP WORLD CHAMPION... WHILE WALL WAS SITTING HIS ASS AT HOME." was about Kyrie winning the 2014 FIBA Basketball World Cup MVP.

III. That "'I've never seen any team mate of Bron's, treat him like Kyrie does. bron getting that lil nikka treatment." was when LeBron was barking at Kyrie and Kyrie barked back even louder at him.

IV. The "Kyrie out there saving Brons from embarrassing himself. Brons jumpers -" was when Bron's jumper was trash and Kyrie came to the rescue against the Pacers

V. The rest of those posts regarding Kyrie's performance in the Finals remain true. He was the one who started attacking early in the shoclock (that exact thing Lue wanted) in G5/G6, not LeBron. A lot of their offensive runs came from when Kyrie was the aggressor. LeBron rightfully deserved to win FMVP for his overall impact throughout the series, but Kyrie was still the main initator in a lot of their runs in the back half of that series. LeBron was definitely killing their offense with his Barkley-backdowns and passiveness in parts of those games, and a lot of folk were commenting on it too.

Look at the comments before/after mine from other posters:

"LeBron destroyed Cleveland's offense the last three minutes of the quarter."
"Between Kevin Love shyt defense and Bron jacking up dumb ass 3 these nikkas don't wanna win. "
"and bad offense by bron 3 possesions in a row"
"Lebron tripping wtf"
"Bron looking shook"
"Let LeBron play hero ball, brehs "
"Way too much standing around by LeBron, the fukk is he doing?"

With all that said, I was never under the illusion that Kyrie was EVER the better player at any point, nor was I EVER dismissive of the fact that they wouldn't have been in the Finals if it weren't for LeBron in the first place. Simply the team wouldn't be shyt without him - the obvious doesn't even need to be stated. Which again, most of those comments (not the ones in the Finals) were in the moment, just geeked off Kyrie's play.

Hell, I was calling Manu the GOAT just the other day when he blocked Harden. :lolbron:
 
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:what: if Warriors win this year, that would already put that combination with more rings than Lebron :mindblown: people here truly post some dumb shyt
 
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I mentioned Kyrie's injury back at the same time in the thread talking about why he was resting games. But a lot of these lapses aren't just mobility. He still ballwatches, he still doesn't know what to do on a pick-and-roll...he's a problematic player in team defense no matter what his health is like, and I think the idea that it's all regular season-shyt and he just ups his game for the playoffs isn't founded on a ton.
I suggest you go back and watch those Pistons, Raptors and Hawks games from the playoffs last season. Kyrie was outstanding for the most part on defense in those series'. A lot of the problems with the Cavs defense this season are that there isn't too many strong defensive pieces that can aid Kyrie and the other guards in PnR situations, so when they do make mistakes it's more visible because there isn't the personnel there to clean up their miscues. I mean shyt LeBron was sleepwalkin' his way on the defensive end all throughout the season, and is still prone to just switching off at times and losing sight of his man.
If this is all injury though, and Kyrie isn't getting any better in these playoffs....Cavs are completely screwed for the Finals. I'm gonna say the same thing I said in 2015. What do you gain by playing him against the Celtics? He's not resting it, and he might aggravate it. At the very least, injuries are more likely when you're fatigued...so ensure that he has as little fatigue as possible going into GS. Do you really need him against little Isaiah, especially with the offense hopping and a real backup PG on the team now? Just put him on ice until the playoffs. They got two road games to start against the Warriors, so he has time to work his way back in if he needs to.
And like I said, depending on how severe the pain is and what issues he's having, I'd still play him enough minutes to keep him in rhythm, in condition and in tune with the pace of the playoffs. Whatever minutes that maybe, I don't know. 10-20 a game max. They can even rest him completely if they win the next two games, and are up 3-0. But that's just my opinion of what I believe will be this strategy for them to win in the long run. I don't believe in just starving him altogether from the start.

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I've been following Kyrie's career since HS, I think it's safe to say I can identify when he raises his game.

The arrogance of that statement.

:whew:

I guess you're saying that you have been watching Kyrie's basketball for a long time so your opinion is more credible.

So by the same token a :flabbynsick: breh who has been watching ball since the 80s and 90s would have more credibility when critiquing the current era and players of the NBA.

The revelations are straight heat in this thread.
:whew:
 
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The arrogance of that statement.

:whew:

I guess you're saying that you have been watching Kyrie's basketball for a long time so your opinion is more credible.

So by the same token a :flabbynsick: breh who has been watching ball since the 80s and 90s would have more credibility when critiquing the current era and players of the NBA.

The revelations are straight heat in this thread.
:whew:
Of course your simple ass thinks like that. :heh:

You can't compare the two, for starters I'm talking about when Kyrie raises his game from the regular season to the playoffs - that means I'm going off memories and tape that I've watched multiple times from only one year ago, based on one player. I'm not speaking about how great a player was from my childhood in 1996 (20 years ago) and detailing how great they were in relation to the rest of the league, because obviously if I haven't watched a generous amount of tape recently my memories would be distorted.

You distort memories over time and your brain recalls them as you remember them, not how they actually happened, and it's even worse when it comes to shyt like sport because you romanticize the good qualities and drown out the bad; yearning for the past because yesterday was always better than today. That's why when you hear folk talk about players from the 70s/80s/90s it's typically in a manner where they exaggerate their strengths and turn a blind eye to their weaknesses. Most of the folk who watched ball back then, didn't have access to the amount of games we do now, so not only are they working off distorted, nostalgic memories but on a small sample size too.
 

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Of course your simple ass thinks like that. :heh:

You can't compare the two, for starters I'm talking about when Kyrie raises his game from the regular season to the playoffs - that means I'm going off memories and tape that I've watched multiple times from only one year ago, based on one player. I'm not speaking about how great a player was from my childhood in 1996 (20 years ago) and detailing how great they were in relation to the rest of the league, because obviously if I haven't watched a generous amount of tape recently my memories would be distorted.

You distort memories over time and your brain recalls them as you remember them, not how they actually happened, and it's even worse when it comes to shyt like sport because you romanticize the good qualities and drown out the bad; yearning for the past because yesterday was always better than today. That's why when you hear folk talk about players from the 70s/80s/90s it's typically in a manner where they exaggerate their strengths and turn a blind eye to their weaknesses. Most of the folk who watched ball back then, didn't have access to the amount of games we do now, so not only are they working off distorted, nostalgic memories but on a small sample size too.
So who you rooting for to win the chip breh?

:jbhmm:
 

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As long as the Warriors core is healthy....that's a WRAP for Lebron gettin rings.

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If they win this year, it could be 4 because golden state would be crushed and outside of dray i think the other nikkas would want to go elsewhere and wouldn't want to stay together
 

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Right now its a war of attrition between Bron nd his body. His only threat is Father-Time. I give em one more ring...maybe two. Ill concur an injury is what does him in too. :ehh:
 
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