Redman talks about being 4,3,2,1 that triggered the Canibus/LL beef

[The War Report]

NYC just doesn't have those transcendent talents anymore. Just a lot of dikk riders riding the newest wave.

 

[Animal House]

He said everything about Jay my fam was saying way back then, damn shame.

 

[Wacky D]

"and Redman’s Whut? Thee Album (credited by Lyor Cohen with saving Def Jam during its “darkest moment” in the 1990s)."

Symbolic Weight & the Def Jam Aesthetic

I don't know if timelines and album titles are getting mixed up by Lyor

and there it is.

that's what I was saying earlier.

I would rep you, but they seem to be off.

lol @ DEATH squad.

 

[DarkmanX]

*havent watched YET*

I always wondered how the relationship with DMX & Redman was becuz of this? Cuz i know Reggie rolled with Erick & Solo with Pmd. But when
X & Solo was beefin it had to have been awkward being that he was also tight with X, but Solo was his mans. And that time they supposedly got into it
at the Apollo.

I know it happenes frequently but ive never heard Reggie speak on that.

 

[productofrakim]

4321 is a classic track. You had redman (top 10 rapper OAT), LL cool J (legend). Method man (legends), along with the first big breakout of two big artist DMX (he went fukking dark with his verse. fukking crazy), and canibus who came with an INCREDIBLE verse. IMO despite LL cool j having a dope verse and getting the qutable of the month for the verse, canibus had the best verse. When he rewrote his verse for LL cool J he shortened it alot. A leaked for version of the original verse was even crazier and went on for like 2 minutes:



I'll beat a dead nikka to death and beat a dead nikka to life
If you look at me long enough, I'll start to read your thoughts

Your head will spin so fast, you'll catch whiplash
I practice lyrical witchcraft on your bytch ass
Make your hard drive crash, the C colon backslash
And I'll go back to the booth to school your whack ass
Because the object of the game is to spark every cell in your brain
At degrees hotter than blue flames

Propane gas, it incinerate you into ashes
I got you breathin' harder than girls in Lamaze classes
Stop bytchin' about if it's written or freestyle
Got the whole Spanish community saying I'm muy mal

Then I'll attack you with words that's absurd
And rip your fukking skin off just to get on your nerves

So many fukking crazy lines in his original and rewritten verse. BTW this amrks the 2nd time redman got renegaded by canibus on a track. Canibus stays the most underrated renegader in hip hop.

 

[FreshAIG]

and there it is.

that's what I was saying earlier.

I would rep you, but they seem to be off.





lol @ DEATH squad.

I posted the video of Redman saying Lyor said it was Muddy Waters

 

[Ashtrey]

If only Canibus was signed to Def Jam too

 

[Wacky D]

If only Canibus was signed to Def Jam too

that wouldn't have helped him at all.

in fact, it would be worse, with him being on the same label as LL.

I posted the video of Redman saying Lyor said it was Muddy Waters

i'll look for it.

 

[Ashtrey]

that wouldn't have helped him at all.

in fact, it would be worse, with him being on the same label as LL.





i'll look for it.

Oh yah forgot bout the LL situation lol. Just thought he woulda got a bigger budget and coulda got better producers than the ones on his debut.

 

[kingofnyc]

LL was arrogant and everyone knows this. An any other circumstance I would disagree with Canibus going at a OG Legend like LL but I think LL needed to get checked here and though "Ripper Stikes Back" was dope it wasn't better than "2nd Round K.O." and the most memorible line from the beef proclamed Biggie the GOAT and LL even know how powerful that line was because he would name his next album that. As for the record, Legendary, everyone went in. I didn't like the Master P verse because it threw off the lyrical vibe of the record but it's still all love because the record classic reguardless:

yeah breh

dat canibus - biggie GOAT bar was ether for LL
(as cocky/arrogant as he was ... it just wasn't no answer for LL, he really had to hold dat 'L')

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

I remember an MTV show Lyor said Muddy Waters saved Def Jam. DMX brought that shyt to a whole new level. Nothing like him until 50 came along.

Warren G actually saved Def Jam more than Muddy Waters....

Regulate G Funk Era was a smash!!!

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

"During one period, I signed every bad act there was to sign and that didn't sell anything. The artist that saved me from going under was Redman. The next [significant moment] was when I was being tossed out of Sony, I had this little record called "Regulate" by Warren G that ended up selling 4 million albums and gave PolyGram the confidence in Def Jam. "

So Muddy Waters came out before Regulate

Lyor Cohen of 300 Entertainment On Success, Failure and How He "Invented December"

Damn didn't know this.....

Props

 

[keepitrealprk]

come on now, canibus got that wyclef curse. that's really what fukked up his career.

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

• Music from the Motion Picture Belly (Gold)
• Def Squad – El Niño (Def Squad/Def Jam) (Gold)
  
• DMX – It's Dark and Hell Is Hot (Ruff Ryders/Def Jam) (4 x Platinum)
  
• DMX – Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood (Ruff Ryders/Def Jam) (3 x Platinum)
  
• Jayo Felony – Whatcha Gonna Do? (No Cert)
  
• Jay-Z – Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life (Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam) (5 x Platunim)
  
• Method Man – Tical 2000: Judgement Day (Platinum) (Platinum)
  
• Montell Jordan – Let's Ride (Gold)
  
• Onyx – Shut 'Em Down (JMJ/Def Jam) (No Cert)
  
• Playa – Cheers 2 U (No Cert)
  
• Public Enemy – He Got Game (No Cert)
  
• Redman – Doc's da Name 2000 (Platinum)
  
• Rush Hour Soundtrack (New Line Score/Def Jam) (Platinum)
  
• Streets Is Watching Soundtrack (Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam/Universal Records)
  
• DJ Clue - The Professional (Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam/Universal Records) (Platinum)

Def Jam ran 98 along with No Limit

You just made me sad.....I know remember how much I loved Rap and got excited to buy releases regularly and now it's just not the same.

 

[FreshAIG]

Canibus original verse on 4,3,2,1 is >>>>>>>>>>>

"Hence to battle me is impossible
I'll put your whole crew in the hospital with IVs all in their nostrils
Stop sleeping on me, I ain't a mattress
Put you through more drama than a soap opera actress
Don't even think about pulling out and opening fire
Gunshots wound but I remove bullets with pliers
I aspire to kick the phattest that you've ever witnessed
From a Pharcyde (far side), that's even confusing to Fat Lip
Rhymes designed from lines of pure knowledge
I'll make your head nod 'til your neck runs out of cartilage"