RELIGIOUS DEBATE: Judaism, Christianity, And Islam Connect. So, Why Do ALL THREE BASH Each Other?

[SirReginald]

Why settle for a main religion? Choose Czernobog

 

[Turk]

Gaza

That's more political than religious. They're beefing over land. Prior to Israel's creation it was fairly peaceful over there

 

[SirReginald]

That's more political than religious. They're beefing over land. Prior to Israel's creation it was fairly peaceful over there

Plus, it's no help when the U.S. gives Israel all of this aid and no help for Palestine. I wish Palestine could become its own state. BOTH should prosper peacefully.

 

[Saiyajin]

Muslims consider Jews and Christians "people of the book" because Muslims believe in the God of the Torah and Bible

however Muslims reject the claim that Jesus was God, or that Jesus was crucified and resurrected.

Throughout history Muslims have lived in harmony with Jews and Christians

the new radicalized form of Islam is a recent invention

 

[MajorVitaman]

Khazar mythology

 

[Saiyajin]

This is a letter which was issued by Mohammed, Ibn Abdullah, the Messenger, the Prophet, the Faithful, who is sent to all the people as a trust on the part of God to all His creatures, that they may have no plea against God hereafter. Verily God is the Mighty, the Wise. This letter is directed to the embracers of Islam, as a covenant given to the followers of Nazarene in the East and West, the far and near, the Arabs and foreigners, the known and the unknown.

This letter contains the oath given unto them, and he who disobeys that which is therein will be considered a disobeyer and a transgressor to that whereunto he is commanded. He will be regarded as one who has corrupted the oath of God, disbelieved His Testament, rejected His Authority, despised His Religion, and made himself deserving of His Curse, whether he is a Sultan or any other believer of Islam. Whenever monks, devotees and pilgrims gather together, whether in a mountain or valley, or den, or frequented place, or plain, or church, or in houses of worship, verily we are [at the] back of them and shall protect them, and their properties and their morals, by Myself, by My Friends and by My Assistants, for they are of My Subjects and under My Protection.

I shall exempt them from that which may disturb them; of the burdens which are paid by others as an oath of allegiance. They must not give anything of their income but that which pleases them—they must not be offended, or disturbed, or coerced or compelled. Their judges should not be changed or prevented from accomplishing their offices, nor the monks disturbed in exercising their religious order, or the people of seclusion be stopped from dwelling in their cells.

No one is allowed to plunder the pilgrims, or destroy or spoil any of their churches, or houses of worship, or take any of the things contained within these houses and bring it to the houses of Islam. And he who takes away anything therefrom, will be one who has corrupted the oath of God, and, in truth, disobeyed His Messenger.

Poll-taxes should not be put upon their judges, monks, and those whose occupation is the worship of God; nor is any other thing to be taken from them, whether it be a fine, a tax or any unjust right. Verily I shall keep their compact, wherever they may be, in the sea or on the land, in the East or West, in the North or South, for they are under My Protection and the testament of My Safety, against all things which they abhor.

No taxes or tithes should be received from those who devote themselves to the worship of God in the mountains, or from those who cultivate the Holy Lands. No one has the right to interfere with their affairs, or bring any action against them. Verily this is for aught else and not for them; rather, in the seasons of crops, they should be given a Kadah for each Ardab of wheat (about five bushels and a half) as provision for them, and no one has the right to say to them this is too much, or ask them to pay any tax.

As to those who possess properties, the wealthy and merchants, the poll-tax to be taken from them must not exceed twelve drachmas a head per year (i.e. about 200 modern day US dollars).

They shall not be imposed upon by anyone to undertake a journey, or to be forced to go to wars or to carry arms; for the Islams have to fight for them. Do no dispute or argue with them, but deal according to the verse recorded in the Koran, to wit: ‘Do not dispute or argue with the People of the Book but in that which is best’ [29:46]. Thus they will live favored and protected from everything which may offend them by the Callers to religion (Islam), wherever they may be and in any place they may dwell.

Should any Christian woman be married to a Muslim, such marriage must not take place except after her consent, and she must not be prevented from going to her church for prayer. Their churches must be honored and they must not be withheld from building churches or repairing convents.

They must not be forced to carry arms or stones; but the Islams must protect them and defend them against others. It is positively incumbent upon every one of the Islam nation not to contradict or disobey this oath until the Day of Resurrection and the end of the world.[3]

Direct from the Prophet Muhammad PBUH himself

Ashtiname of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



but still people would rather believe the media that constantly claims Islam is a religion of intolerance and hatred smh

 

[SirReginald]

Khazar mythology

Not this again

 

[End Cruelty]

That's more political than religious. They're beefing over land. Prior to Israel's creation it was fairly peaceful over there

But that's the real answer to the OP question. Religions are not fighting over which god is winning. They are fighting over the "god's land". or some other resource that they think ought by divine right come to them. the general disdain was around in biblical times, of course. but the reason why these religions are still at war is because of extremism. In USA, yeah, we get along fine (ie discriminate without incriminating ourselves) but over there it's raw. there's no reason to talk about abrahamic religions beef from an american standpoint. It's global. and the epicenter is israel. real talk...why are these religions at war: israel.

to paraphrase: it's not political, it's been politicized.

 

[SirReginald]

But that's the real answer to the OP question. Religions are not fighting over which god is winning. They are fighting over the "god's land". or some other resource that they think ought by divine right come to them. the general disdain was around in biblical times, of course. but the reason why these religions are still at war is because of extremism. In USA, yeah, we get along fine (ie discriminate without incriminating ourselves) but over there it's raw. there's no reason to talk about abrahamic religions beef from an american standpoint. It's global. and the epicenter is israel. real talk...why are these religions at war: israel.

to paraphrase: it's not political, it's been politicized.

Good point

 

[Son of Darkness]

True believing members of each religion shouldn't bash each other if they're living the values preached by each religion

But they all have contention with each other due to the differences in beliefs, even though they all supposedly worship the same God.

Jews and Muslims are actually closer with one another than Christians. The Trinity, as well as God supposedly having a son make Judaism and Islam question the Monotheistic claims Christianity asserts. There's a reason Jews can pray in a Mosque, but not in a Church.

There are bunch of other differences you can latch onto but IMO the biggest separation between the 3 is the subject of Jesus and the oneness of God.

Actually, Judaism is much closer to Christianity than to Islam. There is a reason Jews are permitted to teach the Torah to Christians but not Muslims.

 

[Son of Darkness]

Muslims consider Jews and Christians "people of the book" because Muslims believe in the God of the Torah and Bible

however Muslims reject the claim that Jesus was God, or that Jesus was crucified and resurrected.

Throughout history Muslims have lived in harmony with Jews and Christians

the new radicalized form of Islam is a recent invention

Muhammed has harbored hatred against the Jews ever since they rejected him as the Prophet. Why do you think the muslims now bow to Mecca and not Jerusalem?

Islam hadiths on Jews:

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, "O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him". Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim,41:6985, see alsoSahih Muslim,41:6981,Sahih Muslim,41:6982,Sahih Muslim,41:6983,Sahih Muslim,41:6984,Sahih al-Bukhari,4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari,4:52:177

They are debased, cursed, anathematized forever by God and so can never repent and be forgiven; they are cheats and traitors; defiant and stubborn; they killed the prophets; they are liars who falsify scripture and take bribes; as infidels they are ritually unclean, a foul odor emanating from them – such is the image of the Jew in classical Islam, degraded and malevolent.

 

[Fenian]

It aint just these three. It's different beliefs within these three hate each other too. Just look at what catholics and Protestants and sunni and Shia have been doing to each other.

Everyone thinks there specific way is the only way.

 

[Saiyajin]

Muhammed has harbored hatred against the Jews ever since they rejected him as the Prophet. Why do you think the muslims now bow to Mecca and not Jerusalem?

Islam hadiths on Jews:

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, "O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him". Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim,41:6985, see alsoSahih Muslim,41:6981,Sahih Muslim,41:6982,Sahih Muslim,41:6983,Sahih Muslim,41:6984,Sahih al-Bukhari,4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari,4:52:177

They are debased, cursed, anathematized forever by God and so can never repent and be forgiven; they are cheats and traitors; defiant and stubborn; they killed the prophets; they are liars who falsify scripture and take bribes; as infidels they are ritually unclean, a foul odor emanating from them – such is the image of the Jew in classical Islam, degraded and malevolent.

The bolded part is all conjecture so Im gonna ignore this especially because Jews are referred to as the Chosen people in the Quran.

and Muslims bowing to Mecca has nothing to do with Jews, Muslims controlled Jerusalem throughout history but have never bowed towards it.

The correct translation of that hadith you quoted is this

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘The Jews will fight you and you will prevail over them, then a rock will say, “O Muslim, here is a Jew behind me, (come and) kill him.”’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3593).

The authenticity of the hadeeth about fighting the Jews - islamqa.info

The hadith you quoted is a prophecy that predicts a war between Muslims and Jews (which the Muslims do not instigate) that predate the day of Judgement. It says nothing about how a Muslim should conduct himself with Jews, it is a prophecy and treated as such.

 

[Saiyajin]

Actually, Judaism is much closer to Christianity than to Islam. There is a reason Jews are permitted to teach the Torah to Christians but not Muslims.

How is Judaism closer to Christianity than Islam

Both Islam and Judaism agree that Jesus was not God

both Muslims and Jews are circumsized

both Muslims are Jews don't eat pork

both Muslims and Jews abstain from Alcohol

both Muslims and Jews fast on certain prescribed days.

Both muslims and Jews must drain the blood of the animal before it is prepared for cooking (halal and kosher)

also lmao @ Jews not being allowed to share the Torah to Muslims, I know Jewish people and I discuss the Torah with them they have no problem sharing it with me

 

[Turk]

Actually, Judaism is much closer to Christianity than to Islam. There is a reason Jews are permitted to teach the Torah to Christians but not Muslims.

Nah this isn't true. Islam is seen as pure Monotheism by Jews, Christianity isn't.

Islam as Pure Monotheism from a Jewish Perspective
The Rambam makes it clear that Muslims are not idolaters, in spite of the fact that some Jews in his day, and Sa`adya before him, mistakenly thought otherwise. This is interpreted by way of his Mishnah Torah, in its ruling against Christianity as idolatry, but accepting non-Christian monotheistic “Noachidism” of various forms.[4] In addition to his Mishneh Torah, his well-known responsum to `Ovadyah the Proselyte more directly comments on the subject.

The Ishmaelites [Muslims] are not idol worshippers at all, and it [idolatry] has ceased to exist in their mouths and hearts and they attribute the proper Oneness to God with no blemish. And if someone will say that the house they worship in is an idolatrous shrine . . . as their ancestors worshiped idols there—that does not matter. Those who bow towards it today, their hearts are dedicated to heaven [towards the One God] . . . and the Ishmaelites today, all of them, women and children, have ceased to believe in idolatry and their mistake is . . . in other things . . . however in attributing Oneness to God—they have no mistake at all.[5]

The Rambam not only defends Islam as pure monotheism consistent with the Jewish view of the Oneness of God, but he also defends the rituals of the Islamic Hajj (Hebrew: Chag) as having absolutely no polytheistic origins, as it had been popular in the West to assert (a lie which continues today in Christian anti-Islamic polemic). We read in the same responsum to `Ovadyah, that “concerning the Ishmaelites whom you said are not idolaters,” which Maimonides agreed, “your teacher told you that they are and that the stones they throw during Hajj are intended for Mercurius,” the Greek deity of trade, merchants, and travel, he “thereby answered you improperly so that you were grieved and humiliated, and he proclaimed ‘Answer a fool according to his folly’ (Proverbs 26.5)… Should someone [like you] who has attained this station be called a fool? Far be it from you! The Lord has called you not a fool (kesil) but rather wise (maskil), discerning and righteous, the disciple of Abraham our father!”

Centuries later, the Rama (1520 – 1572) also confirmed the ruling that Muslims are not idolaters in his Responsa Melamed Le’hoil.[6] Rabbi Yosef Karo, author of the Shulchan Arukh code of law, himself bases his view that Muslims are not idolaters or polytheists on the Rambam himself, and ever since there has been practical consensus on the matter.[7][8] Even Rabbi `Ovadyah Yosef, a controversial figure and spiritual head of the Shas party in Israel – more popular amongst S’fardim for its defense of their social rights than for its hardline stance against Palestinians, who has gone so far as to call for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians – has stated clearly that early Geonim who referred to Ishmaelites as idolaters were “refer[ring] to Ishmaelites in previous generations that were idol worshippers, as Maimonides observes that, in those days, they had three kinds of idolatry, but in later generations,” after Muhammad brought them the message of the Qur’an, “they reached the correct conclusion of the Oneness of God.”

This is also the opinion of Rabbi Kook, the first Chief Rabbi of Eretz Yisrael, in Responsia Mishpat Kohen 69. There is a general prohibition against entering a shrine of idolatry. The origin of this prohibition is famously found in the Mishnah `Avodah Zarah 1.4. As outlined and cited throughout the Hashlamah Project work Blueprints for the Messianic Era, Muslims fit the Talmudic criteria for Gerei Toshav. This opinion was in fact confirmed by Rav Kook, who concluded point-blank that the Arabs are to be considered as “resident settlers” (germ toshavim) and portions of the Land of Israel could be sold to them, and they are furthermore permitted to reside on property they already lived on in Eretz Yisrael. This, he explained, is proven by “the fact that the Ishmaelites, that are not idol worshippers, are not included in the prohibition of ‘Lo Techonem.’”[9] This ruling, allowing the selling of plots of land in Eretz Yisrael during the shmtita, is held to this day by the Chief Rabbinate of The State of Israel.[10]

Naturally, by declaring Muslims not only to not be idolaters but also to have the “correct” Jewish view of God, Maimonides was declaring mosques kosher places for a Jew to worship. A Muslim historian, Ibn al-Qifti (1172-1248) reports nothing less than that the Rambam himself, on numerous occasions, voluntarily went to mosques to pray, under no compulsion and seeing no contradiction with his Judaism. Ibn al-Qifti notes that this was towards the end of Maimonides’ life and was not an event of his youth, under fear of the Al-Mohades who had invaded Al-Andalus in his youth.[11] Kenneth Seeskin writes, in The Cambridge Companion to Maimonides, “although Ibn al-Qifti’s book has come down to us in a later recension, and contains some errors, we have no reason to doubt the information on Maimonides.”[12]

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