Remember all those people that thought Peyton Manning was better than Tom Brady??

[Baracka Flocka Flame]

Adjusted strength of schedule

NFL A look at adjusted strength of schedules - ESPN

Peyton loses again. Overrated season

I'm a man I can admit a mistake. I should have looked at the end of the season rather than the end.

Peyton is still one of the greatest to ever do it.
There are just as many arguments to put your man at the top as well.

 

[Born2BKing]

My biggest question would just be how many titles does Brady have that didn't come from cheating?
@Larry David @BLAZO da GAWD @Rekkapryde

That's all I wanna know.

2007 National Football League videotaping controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

to Willie Gary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Gary_(American_football)

 

[yseJ]

all the brady/peyton debates are so fukking tired

neither of them are GOAT over Montana tho

 

[Snitchin Splatter]

all the brady/peyton debates are so fukking tired

neither of them are GOAT over Bradshaw tho

corrected that response based on the Coli standards

 

[yseJ]

corrected that response based on the Coli standards

keep fighting for your idol breh Im outta this thread

 

[BLAZO da GAWD]

My biggest question would just be how many titles does Brady have that didn't come from cheating?
@Larry David @BLAZO da GAWD @Rekkapryde

That's all I wanna know.

2007 National Football League videotaping controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

to Willie Gary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Gary_(American_football)

this is another thing thats rather easy to refute. in fact, i have quotes from well respected ppl in the NFL that say the advantage one would get from these tapes are overstated. I would have to search for the articles tho and i dont have time for that at the moment

either way, since the scandal, lets see what Brady has accomplished since then:

-2 MVP's
-led a 16-0 season, second team to ever finish the regular season undefeated
-2 SB appearances
-led the top two offenses of all time in 2007 and 2012
-led the most efficient offense of all time in 2010

 

[Rekkapryde]

My biggest question would just be how many titles does Brady have that didn't come from cheating?
@Larry David @BLAZO da GAWD @Rekkapryde

That's all I wanna know.

2007 National Football League videotaping controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

to Willie Gary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Gary_(American_football)

I agree. Whether some like it or not, Spygate does leave a stain on Brady's legacy IMO. Now some might treat that stain anywhere from large to small, but it does fukk shyt up. Destroying the tapes didn't help either. Seeing as how the strength of the Pats during their SB wins was in their defense, knowing the other team's shyt doesn't hurt. And of course you got Vinny with the field goals.

BUT DESPITE ALL OF THAT, I still can't ride with Peyton over Tom anymore.

 

[BLAZO da GAWD]

My biggest question would just be how many titles does Brady have that didn't come from cheating?
@Larry David @BLAZO da GAWD @Rekkapryde

That's all I wanna know.

2007 National Football League videotaping controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

to Willie Gary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Gary_(American_football)

I agree. Whether some like it or not, Spygate does leave a stain on Brady's legacy IMO. Now some might treat that stain anywhere from large to small, but it does fukk shyt up. Destroying the tapes didn't help either. Seeing as how the strength of the Pats during their SB wins was in their defense, knowing the other team's shyt doesn't hurt. And of course you got Vinny with the field goals.

BUT DESPITE ALL OF THAT, I still can't ride with Peyton over Tom anymore.

like I said before, I didn't really have the time to research the articles sooooo I had one of my nikkas from another forum do it for me

4 years before scandal, Herm Edwards waved to Bill Belichick's camera - NY Daily News

Spygate: An Inconvient Truth - CBSSports.com

Felger & Mazz: Cowher On ‘Spygate II’ & Patriots-Jets « CBS Boston

But personally I think the most salient details lie in that Belichick asserts truthfully that the Pats made no effort to conceal their videotaping and that the official game film validates that claim

Belichick insists Pats did not try to hide taping of opponents signals - NFL - ESPN

also that the Pats' practices were widely known around the league YEARS before the scandal happened, which suggests that the punishment that came down was not for the videotaping itself, but for the fact that Belichick continued to do it after the league office told him to knock it off in 2006.
When a player tests positive for PEDs, the leagues immediately suspends him. There's no 3-strike policy or anything like that. So either the competitive advantage the Pats got was nonexistent, or the league was at fault for letting them get away with it for so long.

Given the reactions that coaches who were in the know had, I'm leaning towards the former.

spygate = overblown

 

[Born2BKing]

like I said before, I didn't really have the time to research the articles sooooo I had one of my nikkas from another forum do it for me



spygate = overblown

Of course the coaches gonna support him. They like a fraternity, they ain't want them problems with

 

[Champ_KW]

I know. Brady has gotten a pass for getting his ass handed to him by Baltimore TWICE in the playoffs along with the Giants twice. Granted he played better against the Giants but that doesn't seem to matter. In fine Coli fashion....if you lose...you're a choker.

I have no issue with folk saying Brady's better, but son gets pass upon pass upon pass. It's quite funny. He had 2 3 pick playoff games against San Diego...but his squad won...so...he's not a choker. The whole "choker" shyt is so damn silly.

Minus the 6 td game against Denver last year, he had more int's than td's last year in the playoffs; Sanchez and the Jets beat him; and a few years back Baltimore completely embarrassed Tom and the Pats. It's a team game where Tom has played poorly enough to lose and didn't....and there are plenty of times Peyton played well enough to win...but didn't. Team success is a PART of the equation....not the lone measuring stick.

 

[BLAZO da GAWD]

Of course the coaches gonna support him. They like a fraternity, they ain't want them problems with

how much more shyt u gonna deflect bruh

 

[Born2BKing]

Minus the 6 td game against Denver last year, he had more int's than td's last year in the playoffs; Sanchez and the Jets beat him; and a few years back Baltimore completely embarrassed Tom and the Pats. It's a team game where Tom has played poorly enough to lose and didn't....and there are plenty of times Peyton played well enough to win...but didn't. Team success is a PART of the equation....not the lone measuring stick.

how much more shyt u gonna deflect bruh

I'm just saying breh, you have reason and I have reasons. It's basically a subjective question. There is no clear goat like Michael Jordan was in the NBA.

 

[BLAZO da GAWD]

I'm just saying breh, you have reason and I have reasons. It's basically a subjective question. There is no clear goat like Michael Jordan was in the NBA.

one thing is clear tho, Peyton aint the GOAT

 

[Rekkapryde]

There is no clear goat like Michael Jordan was in the NBA.

:lookherebruh:

Magic Da Goat!!!

 

[Champ_KW]

Not to deviate from the topic too much but I have a question that's twofold....how come the success of black QB's recently is attributed to the "gimmick" read option offense, yet everyone hesitate to call NE's offense a gimmick? Is it racist to lump all the praise on Brady while making it a point to give the read option just as much praise for the young black QB's instead of just giving them all the praise, ala the way they do Brady?