Report: DeAndre Jordan and Chris Paul Feuding.

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

But melo is 6'7 and paul is 6'0. Its much easier for Melo to take over a game than it is for paul. Its not efficent for a pg to take over the game and win it by mainly scoring consistently from game to game.

Are you forgetting that Melo is a 41% shooter in the post season?

That was evident with iverson and its evident presently with russell, who had an mvp srason but couldn't will his team past a bigger player who also had an mvp season in anthony davis and you cant sit there and say that davis had a better team or better supporting cast over russell.

Yeah this is bullshyt. The squads are comparable - keep in mind that Ibaka pretty much missed the last quarter of the season and they didn't have a defensive anchor (Thunder gave up 107.9 points per game on the defensive end without him - which is worse than the T'Wolves who were dead last at 106.5 points per game) and Westbrook was out for the first month where they had close to the worst record in the league.

With Westbrook and Ibaka - Thunder were 30-17 with them in the lineup.

Westbrook was the most dominant scorer this season, the problem is he took unnecessary 3-pters in just about every game. It wasn't his frame, lack of size or height that had him shooting at 42%, it was because he didn't have the best shot selection (if he were to say take one less 3-pter a game he'd be shooting 45%). I don't wanna hear anything about it's not efficient for a PG to take over a game when three of the most dominant scorers in the league are PGs.

Curry shot 48% over 80 games while averaging 23.8 ppg. If Paul can't do this, then we have to start thinking about where he sits with the rest of the league.

 

[42 Monks]

You know would do that trade in a heartbeat, you're just lucky Doc is a terrible GM.

Naw, MJ would c00np3 for flopping shyt real quick. Just imagine if Kemba could flop

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

How are you absolving the shooters of all blame when they cant even hit 35% on their open jumpers? Paul and balke were playing 2 on 5 out there after game 4.....

Ppl saying the clips lack depth. Nope the problem is all their depth is starting. Redikk and barnes are reserve. The clip need some starter.

Nobody is absolving the shooters from being blamed. Everyone played their part in this, but Reddikk, Barnes and Rivers can only do so much. It's up to Blake and Paul to pick up the slack if the help isn't there - they're the two best players on the team and they have the ball in their hands the majority of the time.

Paul and Blake weren't playing 2 on 5 after Game 4, GTFOH - they had a 20-pt lead in the third quarter of Game 6. Poor game management, lack of adjustments and failing to keep the foot on the gas led to them losing that game.

Late in the third quarter, early in the 4th quarter of Game 6 - Paul should have taken control of that offense and put the game to bed. Instead what does he do? He cuts himself completely out of the offense and the Rockets keep gaining and gaining momentum. By time he starts getting involved, it's too late for the Clippers to develop any rhythm and the Rockets take the lead in the blink of an eye.

Same goes for Game 7 - why did he start being aggressive when they were down by 20 points in the 4th quarter? Like where was that type of play before when the game was within reach? It was too little, too late. As a leader, and the 'best player' on your team you can't afford to do that. What's the point in being aggressive when the game is basically over?

Your so quick and astute to say that the rockets are a flawed team put togethrr but choose remain oblivious of that fact when it comes to the clippers. Theyre a flawed team.

He just gave up a 3-1 lead (this is not the first time), and allowed Houston to come from 19 points down, near the end of the 3rd quarter of an elimination game to steal victory without its best player on the court. Or better yet, what about the fact he crippled his team's chances of going deep in the playoffs (limiting their depth) by using the full MLE on Spencer Hawes (who only played 8 games and averaged 7 minutes in the playoffs), signing Jordan Farmer, Dahntay Jones, Jordan Hamilton, Lester Hudson, Ekpe Udoh, Chris Douglas-Roberts and Jared Cunningham - players who barely contributed to the Clippers' campaign, if at all.

He left his squad with the worst depth out of every playoff team. He's the one that put them in this position in the first place. And you want us to point out specifics?

This doesn't sound like me choosing to remain oblivious when it comes to the flaws of this Clippers team. This sounds like you not knowing what the fukk you're talkin bout.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

doc doesnt have the balls to trade cp3..let alone trade him and start his son in his place. no chance in hell.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

And by the way @who_better_than_me the Pelicans had a 8-10 record when Davis was injured - the Thunder had a 5-11 record without Westbrook. So Westbrook was already at disadvantage from a team records perspective.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

He probably told him stop playing like a biiiiatchi and pass.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

But melo is 6'7 and paul is 6'0. Its much easier for Melo to take over a game than it is for paul. Its not efficent for a pg to take over the game and win it by mainly scoring consistently from game to game. That was evident with iverson and its evident presently with russell, who had an mvp srason but couldn't will his team past a bigger player who also had an mvp season in anthony davis and you cant sit there and say that davis had a better team or better supporting cast over russell.

Come to houston paul. Well appreciate you

Is harden the typical size of a pg. And hes the main faciitator for the offense but we always have a pg on the floor typically (usually beveley when healthy).

Then what's Harden's excuse for being inefficient?

 

[Art Barr]

A guy who flops to go to the line and a guy who intentionally gets sent to the line. Tension was inevitable.

this.



Art Barr

 

[WaddupDoe!]

shyt they can play Jordan to the Heat.

 

[Greenstrings]

Nobody is going to give up a star for CP3, he plays the deepest position in the league and the best bet for trading him is going for depth and young prospects. He does not have another 5 years left in him, the PG position is not going to allow a 33 year old CP3 to be a top 5 player at his position there's just too many young guys that are already really good playing that spot.

DeAndre/Blake/Kemba/MKG is a solid start, and if they were to get the Hornets pick they could fill out their team even more. You're not focusing on the reality of the situation, they're going to have 5 guys under contract that take up 90% of the cap. The Heat couldn't fill out their team because of the 3 max guys, and those 3 guys were better than the Clippers 3. So, next season will essentially be a repeat of this year because the same exact flaws they have now will be there (Perimeter defense is garbage). You say we're taking the wrong lessons, but the biggest lesson to be learned is that they still couldn't make it to the WCF with the Thunder being the walking wounded, if they are healthy next season the Clippers have NO CHANCE vs them and it's the Warriors / Thunders conference.

Not exactly sure how Kemba and MKG form a better foundation going forward than CP3. MKG on the floor with any less than 2 respectable shooters is a disaster on offense and even if Paul isn't a top 5 player in a few years how much better do you think Blake looks as he tries to work from the elbows surrounded by a roster of players that can't shoot? There's no simply way in which they get better but teams have proven time and again how easy it is to get worse. Paul's game isn't predicated on athleticism and over the next 5 years there are maybe 4 point guards that realistically stand be better than him. I don't get how that justifies folding up for Kemba. Wing defense is an issue but it is exacerbated by Blake and Deandre's lack of smarts on that end.

The only time you can ever justify trading a star for parts is if things flat out aren't working and even then most orgs should be loath to even contemplate it. The thing is of the 3 max guys one is clearly not a star and as much as there's not really much else they can do, they're hamstrung the minute Deandre inks that contract. He's the weak link and whatever he gives you in rebounding and blocks doesn't measure up to a more filled out roster.

Their situation is painful but for now it's best they do nothing and see what shakes out with the new cap. Dealing Paul with no concrete plan or prospects of commensurate compensation would be folly.

Nah he doesn't, there's a lot of things he does on the court that he could use more control over or less energy - he over-exaggerates a lot of movements on the court. It's not about if he's hesitant or subtle, it's just more about conserving energy for plays or movements that actually need energy. I think counting down on rebound activity may help, he's always trying to grab rebounds from near impossible positions/angles or jumping higher than what's needed. He makes things seem bigger than they actually are - it's what makes him entertaining.

I used to think the same and disliked him for it to boot but the more I watch him the more I feel his inability to economize his movement is as much a function of process as it is exuberance. For all the strides he's made he can still be surprisingly tentative and going as hard as he does at times stops him from second-guessing himself. Good as he is I don't think he's a smart enough player to do what you're asking and still be as effective, though I guess coaching could mitigate it somewhat.
Docs teams don't really contest offensive boards like that and Deandre's cornered their rebounding market as a whole. I don't think whatever difference that makes would be enough. You're essentially asking him to change his approach to the game and that could have any number of unintended consequences.

You seriously believe they should blow it up?

 

[The War Report]

Naw, MJ would c00np3 for flopping shyt real quick. Just imagine if Kemba could flop

Imagine if Kemba was a good player.

 

[Malta]

Not exactly sure how Kemba and MKG form a better foundation going forward than CP3. MKG on the floor with any less than 2 respectable shooters is a disaster on offense and even if Paul isn't a top 5 player in a few years how much better do you think Blake looks as he tries to work from the elbows surrounded by a roster of players that can't shoot? There's no simply way in which they get better but teams have proven time and again how easy it is to get worse. Paul's game isn't predicated on athleticism and over the next 5 years there are maybe 4 point guards that realistically stand be better than him. I don't get how that justifies folding up for Kemba. Wing defense is an issue but it is exacerbated by Blake and Deandre's lack of smarts on that end.

The only time you can ever justify trading a star for parts is if things flat out aren't working and even then most orgs should be loath to even contemplate it. The thing is of the 3 max guys one is clearly not a star and as much as there's not really much else they can do, they're hamstrung the minute Deandre inks that contract. He's the weak link and whatever he gives you in rebounding and blocks doesn't measure up to a more filled out roster.

Their situation is painful but for now it's best they do nothing and see what shakes out with the new cap. Dealing Paul with no concrete plan or prospects of commensurate compensation would be folly.

Getting Walker, MKG, Vonleh and their pick this year would be a better foundation moving forward since the current roster is already maxed out. By the time the new cap takes affect Cp3 will be 31 turning 32, they will have another wasted season behind them. That is why you trade him for players that can contribute now, a prospect and a lottery pick. That gives them a chance to stay competitive, with the potential of being even better when the young guys develop, again Blake and DeAndre are only 26, if their window shuts it's because CP3 has lost a step and at that point he's done. You say CP3's game isn't based on athleticism, and that isn't really true, he's one of the quicker PGs in the league and that isn't going to last another 5 years, this is a dude that had his meniscus removed so the window for him isn't as wide as you may think, all it takes is one lost step.

The problem isn't Blake and DeAndre's lack of smarts, it's the fact they are constantly being attacked so they are going to make mistakes. When you have JJ Redikk and Matt Barnes on the perimeter, your frontline is always going to be under pressure. Neither guy is a great defender, but the amount of times they're challenged per game just makes the problem even worse, Redikk was better this year but he's not a great defender by any stretch and Matt Barnes is just a turnstyle on defense.


Nobody can explain to me how this team is going to get better, this is the quote from today -

"We have to get this team more support," Rivers said. "With the contracts we're hamstrung with, it's going to be minimum deals for the most part. There are no big deals out there that we're going to make, most likely."

They plan on going after minimum salary guys in a year teams are expected to be willing to overpay to get wing guys They've been together for 4 years now, it isn't working and the moves Doc has made in the past means they have no depth, no assets, no capspace and no way to really improve other than moving one of their main guys, or just waiting for the cap to increase. LeBron, Bosh and Wade had more support, were better players and almost everyone agreed that them breaking up was inevitable because of the fact they couldn't get better rotational players, yet the Clippers should stick it out?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I used to think the same and disliked him for it to boot but the more I watch him the more I feel his inability to economize his movement is as much a function of process as it is exuberance. For all the strides he's made he can still be surprisingly tentative and going as hard as he does at times stops him from second-guessing himself. Good as he is I don't think he's a smart enough player to do what you're asking and still be as effective, though I guess coaching could mitigate it somewhat. Docs teams don't really contest offensive boards like that and Deandre's cornered their rebounding market as a whole. I don't think whatever difference that makes would be enough. You're essentially asking him to change his approach to the game and that could have any number of unintended consequences.

I'm not saying he has to change his approach, just scale it back - CP is at the other end of the spectrum - they both need to balance out their efforts a bit more evenly across the game. It's clear he has little-to-no cognitive awareness on how to pace himself. He loses a lot of lift from the 1st to the 4th quarter because of this, which then leads to mental breakdowns (being hesitant, turnover the ball over and having lack of confidence when he can't play to his ability) when he's physically fatigued. If both options lead him to being hesitant - he has to find some middle ground.

He's increased his strength and conditioning over the last two offseasons, so I'm sure if it's a case of lacking cardio fitness.

You seriously believe they should blow it up?

Something's gotta give. This was their chance of making the WCF- they're not gonna get an easier run from here on out.

 

[Hersh]

what about

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mjx3z97

 

[1thouwow]

Deandre Jordan to the Knicks