Republicans out here taking ya'lls overtime pay.

[Pressure]

Let's further it. Deborah is denied Every request she makes during the calendar year. Once again. How has this law helped Deborah?

 

[Pressure]

Republicans introduce outrageous bills all the time. Do we really see this passing?

It's already passed the house. There's a similar bill in the Senate.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Pink,

Think about it like this. Deborah opts to get paid time off knowing her husband will have surgery or that spring break is coming up. She submits her request a month ahead to make sure the company is aware. On the day before surgery, the employer tells Deborah her request has been denied because it would put undue strain on the company.

Deborah has a two choices. Go to work. Or get fired. If she gets fired, she won't see that accrued time for at least a month.

How is this benefiting her?

How is that any different than now? See can still book the time off now using vacation time or family time, or whatever time that companies uses (accrued sick leave, etc.). Which the employer can deny due to the same reasons.
It doesn't change anything. All this does is give the employee the option of requesting to use OT hours in time or in take it in pay.

All those other variables are irrelevant to this, because they still exist without this bill.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Let's further it. Deborah is denied Every request she makes during the calendar year. Once again. How has this law helped Deborah?

First off, the company has to provide proof that those denials are justified. If not then there is a lawsuit. and secondly, she can just take the money.....like what is in place now.

what is the big deal?

 

[Pressure]

How is that any different than now? See can still book the time off now using vacation time or family time, or whatever time that companies uses (accrued sick leave, etc.). Which the employer can deny due to the same reasons.
It doesn't change anything. All this does is give the employee the option of requesting to use OT hours in time or in take it in pay.

All those other variables are irrelevant to this, because they still exist without this bill.

Wage workers generally don't have paid vacation, family time or bereavement.

If this Bill doesn't improve workers rights then it's a bad bill with the potential to institutionalize harm.

If the government is going to address worker's rights they should actually do so and not this bologna you're supporting because "it's not that bad. "

 

[Maschine_Man]

Wage workers generally don't have paid vacation, family time or bereavement.

If this Bill doesn't improve workers rights then it's a bad bill with the potential to institutionalize harm.

If the government is going to address worker's rights they should actually do so and not this bologna you're supporting because "it's not that bad. "

and here we go back to that circular reasoning again.
Are we talking about "deb" or are we moving the goalposts?

So a company that requires it's employees to work overtime doesn't provide paid vacations,etc.

can you show me all these companies?

 

[Pressure]

First off, the company has to provide proof that those denials are justified. If not then there is a lawsuit. and secondly, she can just take the money.....like what is in place now.

what is the big deal?

Unemployed Low wage workers now have the time and resources to file and win lawsuits?

 

[Maschine_Man]

Unemployed Low wage workers now have the time and resources to file and win lawsuits?

Bruh, just call me a Nazi, fascist, racist (or whatever term you head in the sand liberals are using this week) and get this over with.

I'm sick of running around in circles with people that can't accept when they've been shown to be wrong.

 

[Pressure]

and here we go back to that circular reasoning again.
Are we talking about "deb" or are we moving the goalposts?

So a company that requires it's employees to work overtime doesn't provide paid vacations,etc.

can you show me all these companies?

Hourly wage workers don't get paid vacation in almost any field.

I think you've been in Canada too long.

 

[the cac mamba]

Hourly wage workers don't get paid vacation in almost any field.

I think you've been in Canada too long.

:hovtrump: whats your definition of paid vacation?

 

[Maschine_Man]

Hourly wage workers don't get paid vacation in almost any field.

 

[Pressure]

:hovtrump: whats your definition of paid vacation?

Getting paid for a days work when you aren't at work.

E. G. You get paid for exactly how many hours you actually work in a week for a pay period.

So let's say you put in for a week off. You will then still be paid for that work as though you were in the office.


That doesn't happen here for the majority of jobs for low wage hourly workers.

Millions of Working People Don’t Get Paid Time Off for Holidays or Vacation

The above link puts that number at around 34% of workers in the bottom 10% receive any paid vacation time.

The United States of No Vacation

Lower wage workers receive less and use less time for vacations. Reasons include, not enough money, not enough perceived job security, etc.


Similarly people who make more money generally receive more money, more paid sick days and more PTO. most of which they don't use.

So, for the majority of workers this won't change anything. Largely because they already have days off that they aren't using, so why give them more.


And for the workers who need more, generally need money more than time off and they need money now. Further they don't work the types of jobs that they'd be able to take advantage of the time off either because they won't ever hit the 40 hours or the business isn't setup to shift workers.


All of this is from the natural aside that this requires companies to pay anyone who hasn't worked 1,000 straight hours to gain these benefits. Leading way to a scenario where long time employees are going to receive less overtime since its cheaper and provides less potential work shortages since they don't qualify for the PTO option.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Getting paid for a days work when you aren't at work.

E. G. You get paid for exactly how many hours you actually work in a week for a pay period.

So let's say you put in for a week off. You will then still be paid for that work as though you were in the office.


That doesn't happen here for the majority of jobs for low wage hourly workers.

Millions of Working People Don’t Get Paid Time Off for Holidays or Vacation

The above link puts that number at around 34% of workers in the bottom 10% receive any paid vacation time.

The United States of No Vacation

Lower wage workers receive less and use less time for vacations. Reasons include, not enough money, not enough perceived job security, etc.


Similarly people who make more money generally receive more money, more paid sick days and more PTO. most of which they don't use.

So, for the majority of workers this won't change anything. Largely because they already have days off that they aren't using, so why give them more.


And for the workers who need more, generally need money more than time off and they need money now. Further they don't work the types of jobs that they'd be able to take advantage of the time off either because they won't ever hit the 40 hours or the business isn't setup to shift workers.


All of this is from the natural aside that this requires companies to pay anyone who hasn't worked 1,000 straight hours to gain these benefits. Leading way to a scenario where long time employees are going to receive less overtime since its cheaper and provides less potential work shortages since they don't qualify for the PTO option.

why isn't your argument about that rather than this policy that isn't hurting what you say it is?

 

[Gizza]

Read it this morning, yea... Not gonna fly in CA & most people work OT at "low wage" jobs for the money not no damn vacation. Keep voting in people who trying to get rid of your health care,ot, minimum wage etc. cacs n cacettes.

 

[88m3]