Retired NbA player goes on anti-analytics rant , say nerds were jealous of real athletes
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Godless Socialist CEO
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Stupid mother fukkers don’t like shyt they can’t understand. If the numbers show there’s a better way to do something you do it. Literally every business in the history of man (yes the nba is a business) has run by this philosophy. It’s also why many nfl teams have started to become more pass heavy. There’s was a better way to get to the end zone.
Godless Socialist CEO
Superstar
So we should ignore Russell Westbrook’s inefficiencies...
Godless Socialist CEO
Superstar
It should also be noted that AAU has really fukked big men up. They lack a post game because no one taught them those skills. Numerous nba players from Barkley to Kobe have spoken on this.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
But you know that based on your brain computing that information. It’s a dataset.
If I have never played against said player or seen video of them, then I wouldn’t know that unless someone compiled the data.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
actually it is the urban inner city public school syle of player that is being hurt from analytics.
Ernie is right about white boy ball taking over.
no dribble drive extensive players are being made.
it is back to when they would sit dr j.
just because his style would destroy the line gambling.
art barr
Ernie is right about white boy ball taking over.
no dribble drive extensive players are being made.
it is back to when they would sit dr j.
just because his style would destroy the line gambling.
art barr
not really. its to make the game look fun for the paying customers to still come out when your team aint winning titles. this is why MDA has as always will get coaching jobs. he makes the team exciting to watch but they never win. because for the most part you cant win that way. unless you luck up and end up with the best shooters of all time on your team while also having some of the best passers while also having some of the best defenders all on the same team(GSW pre injuries).
But these types of schemes will cause the younger gen to grow up playing that style, which will turn the entire nba to those styles of players(hence big dudes like Kat being soft because he wants to dribble and shoot 3s more than he wants to post up and bang downlow, same with embid. even though both of these guys have a high level of low post skill. this will also open up a lot more space for guys that are not 6'9+. and if they can shoot they will have a much higher chance of making and sticking in the league. even if they have zero defense.
Make the game look fun??
Bruh.
You understand the math checks out here.
You know what is better than 2 points?
Three points.
This isn't a diabolical scheme to get suburban dads to buy more Knicks tickets or make the game more visually appealing.
Yeah I get it but Termine is annoying
Typical dikkhead CAC
You know how many times I listen and get so pissed that I call up just to shyt all over him??
I always just say fukk it and hang up..
DonKnock
KPJ Gonna Save Us
When Kobe was at his height, people would say “look at this guy, he will do whatever it takes to win!”
but now that shooting 3’s or getting to the line is what it would take to win, people have revised history to “the game is supposed to look a certain way” and all that “do anything to win” shyt is apparently out the window
3 points is not better than two when you considered a number of factors that are not stated when you make said statement. yes 3 things are better than 2 things. if all else is equal. but all else is not normally equal.
taking a deep mid range shot or taking a half a step back to hit a 3. sure in that case its obvious you might as well try to hit the 3. you're more or less taking the same shot anyway. why not go for 3 vs 2.
But shaq in the paint is not just 2 points. what part of this dont you get?
Shaq in the paint is humiliation (this actually is not being measured statistically at the moment). its like measuring how afraid was a boxer after mike tyson hit them in the body in his prime? in the first round. and how afraid where they before they stepped into the ring? vs how afraid would the same boxers be of say Ali, who technically was a better BOXER but may not have instilled fear even though he couldnt be beaten by many. so when people have a convo about who's the best of all time, these things have to be taken into account. If tyson aint scaring you away before the fight because of you seeing giants getting laid flat in 2 secs or less. and you can withstand that first hit or two. then thats 40% of the battle...or is it. or is mike that dang good(prime mike). and whether or not you're afraid of ALi doesnt really matter because his skill will get you regardless in most cases. but would it work on iron mike if mike taps his jaw?
this is the kind of thing you have to understand that is not being measured. jordan made people afraid of him. those that were not afraid could some what hang and still lose in a 7 game series but hang in a game or two (starks who was not nearly as talented as say drexler). jordan took people's souls. and made them stop playing their style. because he was humiliating them. steph and klay as a team makes you feel bad only when you're up by 20 and they hawk you and go up by 15 in the 4th. you're like how in the blue hell...we were just up a dub..how we losing by 15? 3 is better than 2 so to speak. But it was not humiliating enough to make a team just stop trying. this is why MR YMCA league Australian Deli thought he could guard steph (he couldnt..legally) This is why the cavs thought they could beat them. technically they couldnt as long as dray, klay, curry, iggy didnt go down. or get suspended. but the cavs believe it. this is why they were able to play as hard as they did and steal a game.
prime shaq, and semi prime kobe, + horry+fisher+fox all super clutch role guys = Scary as hell before the game starts. if you cant match up(the kings could...sort of) but others could not in the east. then you end up losing the series before it starts. its the iron mike "i'm afraid before the match even starts." why does this matter? If you have never played with nba players in a pickup game or real life you wont understand what i'm about to say. the difference between 6'2 Lue williams, and 6'2 me(in my prime). is this. when lue starts hitting, he wont miss. he gets WHITE hot. when i get hot. I'll hit 3 or 4 in a row and brick the next 2. still a good fg% but not nba level WHITE HOT. these guys get scary hot vs lesser comp, and pretty darn hot vs equal comp IF....watch this, IF they BELIEVE they can win or IF they believe the refs are on their side. Ai believed in himself but the rest of the 76ers did not. they won one game that year the lakers steam rolled everyone in the playoffs. and that one game was won by the guy who believed.
lets go back to it. Shaq in the paint humiliates you. which means its not just 2 points when he dunks on everyone. its also an AND 1. meaning mis or make the ft. its an additional team foul + an additional foul on his man + this defender is upset because he just had shaqs legs on his shoulders. super embarrassing in front of millions watching. Shaq does it again no matter how hard this guys pushes shaq. shaq over powers him. how embarrassing can it be to be a fully grown pro athlete that hits the weights daily to find out you are no longer the strongest biggest bully on the block? and it aint ish you can do about it? Remmeber old man Sabonis crying on the bench throwing the towel? I do. that is what can happen when you keep destroying someone in the paint like that. it makes guys FEEL helpless. There's a flipside to this. I've seen the reverse in high school and college when it comes to white guys vs athletic bruhs. a bunch of savvy white dudes with skill that dont care about getting dunked on can actually weather the humiliation storm. and continue to play well and out play said athletic team that keeps rushing the rim. they hit them with a solid zone and thats it. bruhs cant shoot, and game over. white guys//less athletic guys win.
but that aint the nba. the nba has athletic bruhs who can shoot and dunk. and a few athletic white guys who can do both as well.
there's a reason why when the game is on the line and your team is up by 2 and your coach says NO 3's. all the other team has to do is rush the rack. everyone collapses like idiots and leaves a person open for a 3. coach JUST SAID NO THREES. its because in basketball no one. i mean no one wants to watch someone make an easy greasy basket in the paint. they just cant watch it. this is mental. this means if you have someone or someones who are monsters in the paint. let them be monsters. DO NOT remove them from the paint and put them on the outside for spacing for long stretches. sure analytically you may be able to score more points.but you are completing missing the mental aspect of the game of basketball/strategy/mind games that can be played. along with all the fouls you can get because the mind games means the guy thats guarding you is frustrated, and now he's starting to lose his mind mid game and now he's out of sorts and starts intentionally fouling you, yelling at the refs etc. uh oh TECH. he's thrown out. he's gone. now its even easier for Kat or Embid to dominate. now they have to double/tripl team. these two can pass very very well for bigs. its a wrap cause now the 3s are about to pop. because your teammates are ULTRA confident. why? because the pressure of missing is no longer there when they know they have Godzilla in the city on their team in the paint.
^This my friends is what the analytics is missing. it can be measured but they are not or have not YET measured it. therefore the current analytics are incomplete. this is why i can say i agree with them to a degree but not 100% because they do not have all of the information there.
The Grizzlies sucked though
They were like the Pistons in that they had no star players. I guarantee if the Olajuwon led Rockets, the Shaq-Kobe Lakers or the Showtime Lakers played the Warriors it would be a different story. They’d have nobody to defend Shaq, Cap or Hakeem and their whole team would be tired and in foul trouble. All it takes is another Shaq type player coming into the league for all these teams to realize how weak they are in the paint 
Exactly. Let another Shaq come into the league. I can’t wait to see these teams get abused
MrFantastic
Pro
Breh no one is saying not to use analytics. The point is that analytics should be used on a team to team, player to player basis. Using blanket strategies and using analytics as an excuse to pre determine how a team should play is stupid.
the beauty of basketball is the individuality within the team game. Telling me that posting up is outdated is just bad basketball IQ. Again the Warriors model of basketball is unique to the Warriors.
livindajetlife
Superstar
Exactly all it takes for one team to realize they don’t have the personnel to be like the Warriors and think hey how can I make some team try to stop me .. shyt ain’t rocket scienceExactly. Let another Shaq come into the league. I can’t wait to see these teams get abused