Revenge of the Forgotten Class--The Role of The White Midwest Voters

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I live around these people , I saw it a mile away.

The problem is, Trump is a snake oil salesman

These same people will be VERY VERY hot in 4 years.

Give it 6 months.

 

[BaggerofTea]

these conflicting quotes are why dems are in a hard spot and very much in more danger than they thought. they need to solidify a larger part of the white vote, but to do so, the things they need do are in opposition. one part wants to move further left, the other part needs to remain centrist to get the more conservative blue collar white vote.

The Democratic base is bigger than the Republican base, they lost because they werent pushing liberal/progressive policies and Clinton couldn't motivate a fly to get off the wall

 

[BaggerofTea]

Give it 6 months.

And we had Bernie


We sent Lex Luthor to beat Bizarro Superman when we should have sent the real thing

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Dems have to buck up and stop making an enemy out of American businesses. If they can collaborate with big and small business to spur job growth they will be skraight. No need to bring jobs back when we can make em right here.

Wait. A. Minute.

I TOLD you all this shyt and you all derided me for being an anti-leftist.

The fukking irony

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

And we had Bernie

Bernie wouldn't win though.

Guys look. America is just a hateful ass place. And Bernie is jewish (maybe not religious, but anyways).

I LIKE Bernie. But he's not a winning candidate. Trump would win regardless.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

While this is true, what is the counterargument to Trump's protectionism? Telling them simply they need to get with the times ain't gonna bring them back into the tent.

explain the policies that will help them in the face of the current economic/employment reality. i also agree with the point about "hearing" them and treating them with respect, the minority coalitions in the dem party want/demand that, if they want to keep the rust belt worker, that same courtesy has to be extended. it's hard when that's also a group that can be charged up by guns, religion, and race baiting, but shyt, that's what politics is, pander.

 

[acri1]

Bernie wouldn't win though.

Guys look. America is just a hateful ass place. And Bernie is jewish (maybe not religious, but anyways).

I LIKE Bernie. But he's not a winning candidate. Trump would win regardless.

No, Bernie probably would've won. Trump would get the amount of voters due to 'cism, but Bernie would actually energize the base and bring out people who stayed home.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

The Dems have no choice but to go back to the left at this point.

Ignoring their own base and constantly moving right in order to appease "moderate" voters that will never vote for them anyway is a disastrous strategy and it's why they're in the situation they're in now. They've literally let the right make "liberal" into some sort of curse word and completely control the discussion. If they continue with that attitude they'll keep losing.


If you have two Republicans running against each other, the Republican is always gonna win.

their progressive base aint big enough to carry them and certainly not at the state level. so how do you just keep marching left when that's part of what lost ohio, penn, mi, and wi?

 

[acri1]

their progressive base aint big enough to carry them and certainly not at the state level. so how do you just keep marching left when that's part of what lost ohio, penn, mi, and wi?

Except that didn't happen. When exactly have the Dems moved left? They've been going further and further right for years, and them "marching left" certainly isn't why they lost the midwest. Hell, Obamacare is similar to a lot of plans Republicans used to advocate. Hillary Clinton was basically a moderate Republican.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

The Democratic base is bigger than the Republican base, they lost because they werent pushing liberal/progressive policies and Clinton couldn't motivate a fly to get off the wall

i don't know about that. if the latino vote starts to shift slightly (immigration is slowing and as they settle into middle/upper middle class lives, their conservative values jive a bit more with republicans) and dems continue to lose the moderate blue collar union worker, they don't maintain a bigger base

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

one part wants to move further left, the other part needs to remain centrist to get the more conservative blue collar white vote.

I think moving left would help on both fronts

Moving left socially would continue to entice the privileged white collar liberal elites

Moving left economically, particularly on trade and worker's issues, is what got them the blue collar vote in the first place.

Only problem in doing so they will miss out on all that lobbyist and George Soros money. But as this race showed all the money in the world doesn't guarantee you an election

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

No, Bernie probably would've won. Trump would get the amount of voters due to 'cism, but Bernie would actually energize the base and bring out people who stayed home.

The alt-right is too powerful bro. I think ya'll aint really peeping whats going on right now.

White nationalists are out and openly spreading this shyt. Bernie is considered "soft" in these circles.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/lets-talk-about-the-radicalisation-of-young-white-males-online.481587

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Except that didn't happen. When exactly have the Dems moved left? They've been going further and further right for years, and them "marching left" certainly isn't why they lost the midwest. Hell, Obamacare is similar to a lot of plans Republicans used to advocate. Hillary Clinton was basically a moderate Republican.

the loud progressives have offended and defected more moderate dems/independents. they feel dismissed, talked down to, caricatured, don't align with all these LGBT initiatives etc. i'm no political expert at all, but how do you keep that centrist base when the "urban, black/brown, educated, elitist liberal" bark to move left?

 

[levitate]

That sadness and emptiness that they'll feel when they finally see that the "good jobs" are gone and gone for good...

It's sad.



Trump sold these poor men and women dreams of jobs like a MLM manager sells dreams of riches.

Hillary would not have brought them back either - they're gone.

It's sad really.

Kodak is to film what the US is to manufacturing.

I think the only hope of bringing back plentiful manufacturing-like jobs is through the creation of a massive private-public infrastructure development program.

 

[ogc163]

explain the policies that will help them in the face of the current economic/employment reality. i also agree with the point about "hearing" them and treating them with respect, the minority coalitions in the dem party want/demand that, if they want to keep the rust belt worker, that same courtesy has to be extended. it's hard when that's also a group that can be charged up by guns, religion, and race baiting, but shyt, that's what politics is, pander.

Problem is the realities are pretty harsh, even the suggestions in this thread and others don't arouse enthusiasm the way protectionism does. I am not sure people understand the significance of a GOP candidate blatantly spouting protectionist rhetoric. This is a theory that has been shytted on by the Economic profession in this country for the better part of 80 years, hell the leading anti-protectionist economist for years was Paul Krugman he wrote a book in "Pop Internationalism" shytting on protectionist arguments being put forward by intellectuals in the 90's.

Trump has basically delegitimized the concept of international trade in a way experts believed would never happen on this scale, even in the event of failure he is an amazing position of putting forward a shytload of villains to explain away why his policies don't work. A paradigm that involves international actors that white middle class Americans are ALREADY skeptical of?! Shiiiit that is a situation with very little downside in terms of public perception.