Richard Sherman on Matthew Stafford’s HOF case
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Yadda yadda yadda he got there and didn’t get it. Eli got there and got 2. You’re making my argument for me. All that juelzing don’t matter. Anyone can look at his lack of accolades and see he doesn’t match up. The end.
He was the frontrunner this year until Tennessee folded the Rams on primetime. The blowout loss to San Fran the next week sealed his fate.
That happened the year before him.
Piff Perkins
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First thing Sherman says is that the bar has been lowered. Stafford will get in. He's got 2-3 more years left, possibly more if he stays healthy. By the time he retires he'll have some passing records, be top 5-10 in others, and potentially have more playoff wins.
He's gonna get votes from LA and Detroit media members. He's getting in lol.
He's gonna get votes from LA and Detroit media members. He's getting in lol.
WhenWeWereKings
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Just had this convo the other day. I don't think Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan or Eli Manning are HOF qb's. Eli's multiple super bowl rings will get him in tho. I think big Ben is a fringe hall of famer.
Plus we are in the era of inflated passing numbers. So you gotta contextualize the post "Peyton getting bytched from the Pats in the AFC championship game" numbers to qb numbers prior to the league's emphasis on passing.
So Eli being just good and getting 2 SBMVP and Stafford being the same and not getting it means nothing?
This post is spot on. I'm with you on being more conservative about who gets into the HOF. Those are the only four QB's that jump out to me during that time period as HOF QB's. I do believe Big Ben and Eli get in though.
Absolutely NO WAY should Rivers or Ryan.
What contextualization will happen? Decrease yards and TDs by 20%? Inflate INTs by 20%, to "adjust for era"?
Agreed and they both have a better argument than Stafford.
WhenWeWereKings
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I won't take away from what any of this era's qb's have done. They played withing the rules.Just gotta use a bit of common sense. Look how long it took for someone to pass for 5k after marino did it. (24yrs) Look how many times it has happened with in the pass 10yrs or so. THREE qb's accomplished the feat in 2011 alone. That's why I don't think eras should be compared.
It's a reason Marino's 84 season is looked at as legendary.
Bring the best among a bunch of mediocre performances means nothing. But it means something to you. I like to look at numbers in context. You don’t. That’s where we differ.
That happens across sports. Between the bar for athletic ability raising and rules changing over time a game evolves. It can't be 2040 still holding 80s numbers as the standard or "right" way. And by then y'all will be trying to say the same thing about a 6K season.
WhenWeWereKings
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Different eras are different eras for a reason. Whether you or or me like it that's just how life is.
And yet across sports players get compared regardless of these eras.
5 years is a really LONG time breh and to AVERAGE 36TDs (a number he's only reached 3 times in 13 seasons) over that span, at his age...
He's really only played 10 full seasons. Now he's on a much better team and there are 17 games. He had 41 TDs in this, his first season in McVay's offense and having to deal with losing Robert Woods and building chemistry with Odell which coincided with a mid-season slump in his performance. He might have a better regular season next year and throw for more than 41.
Obviously the future is unknown, he might get injured, his play might fall off a cliff, but it wouldn't be that surprising if he stays healthy and his TD totals over the next 5 years goes something like 44, 38, 35, 32, 30 which would average 36 per year and still allow for a significant decline by the time he's 38.