Rip Hamilton on 2004 Pistons vs 2016 Warriors "It would be no comparison"

[I.AM.PIFF]

That's what I was trying to say.

Everyone would agree that his talent was amazing, but he rarely played up to his potential. The posters saying Sheed would be this unstoppable force on both sides are talking about something that rarely happened.

Sheed put up 13ppg on 41% in the playoffs, but the way some are talking you'd think he was on some Dream in 95 shyt.

Ah

 

[Malta]

Pistons went 7 with the fukking Nets, they aren't getting past game 5 with the Warriors.

 

[winb83]

Fluke ass championship team.

Low Key I see this as a side diss to LeBron to dismiss what they just pulled off.

Never forget it rip, never forget it:

Except the fact that they made it back to the NBA finals the following year and they were one blown defensive call by Sheed from going back to back as champions.

 

[jwinfield]

Pistons went 7 with the fukking Nets, they aren't getting past game 5 with the Warriors.

And that was with Jason fukking Collins starting at center.

Chauncey shot 35% that series.

Sheed 11ppg on under 44% from the field

Prince shot 31%



How are they keeping up with a Curry/Klay/Iggy/KD/Green lineup especially when they're playing a guy 40mpg that shot 42% from the stripe in the postseason

 

[Suiken]

Aldridge shot just 42% against the Warriors this season. Idk why we need to see it in the playoffs when defenders actually get away with more contact and it's harder for offensive players to maintain their effectiveness. and then you can just look at the hard evidence of Green being nothing short of an elite post defender, allowing just 36% shooting on the season.

Aldridge IS better than Sheed ever was offensively, and I'm telling you if he can guard LMA it doesn't make sense to say he can't guard a guy that averaged 13ppg with the Pistons. If you are relying on him to beat the Warriors you already lost.

You know why the Cavs won the Finals? Because they had a top five player in NBA history and the best isolation scorer in the game today. Look at the shyt they averaged for 3 straight games to win that series by a net margin of 4 points:

LeBron: 36ppg 11.7rpg 9.7apg 3.0spg 3.0bpg

Kyrie: 30ppg on 53.2 FG%

who the fukk on Detroit is doing that? You're making a mistake thinking that defense is enough to beat that team, you need to combine that with a dominant offensive force and the Pistons did not have that.

and we aren't even getting into Bogut getting injured, Iguodala getting injured, and Green being suspended. Even with Curry & Klay inconsistent it was enough to be up 3-1 on team with the best player of this era.

The 76ers and Nets played the Warriors close in the regular season. Let's not compare the two stages, Boston would get waxed by them in a series.

Billups nor Prince is shutting down the Warriors 3PT attack. They will generate open shots no matter what, there is too much firepower in that offense to defend everyone simultaneously. The question is who they leave open.

Durant in the WCF was on a different team with less talent who utilized him in a vastly different way. It will be much harder to guard KD in a Warriors jersey than in a Thunder jersey. If the Pistons don't double him he's going to blow them up. If they do double him, someone is wide open.

and about Curry, the Cavs were getting away with doubling him aggressively with no repercussions because Barnes couldn't hit anything in the final three games. That is the safety valve the Warriors relied on when teams tried to take him away. Now that guy is replaced by Kevin Durant. LeBron isn't ball hawking off KD the same way he did Barnes and they can't hide Kyrie there anymore.

Those Spurs had two above average offensive anchors in Duncan and Ginobili. Everyone else was a role player and that's why the Pistons had so much success against that offense who also liked to play a slow pace grind it out game. From a matchup perspective, it would be easier for them to play the '05 Spurs than the current Warriors.

So we're forgetting some factors like Andre freaking Robertson, Iman Shumpert, JR Smith and Matthew fukkin Dellavadova are slowing down the splash brothers? Offense is nice but you can't beat them with just offense alone. And Lebron is a two-way player. It could be other way around, you could beat them with stiffling defense and above average offense. If Warrior's defense is so elite like you imply, Kyrie, JR and Shump to some extent wouldn't have a field day with Curry. I agree that offense could be better but it doesn't need to be elite.

That spurs team who have "role players" have Bruce Bowen who were considered one of the best defenders of all time. Robert Horry who have 7 rings for a reason. Young Tony Parker that might only be slightly worse than Kyrie, Nazr Mohamed who's also a solid role player and Glenn Robinson who were a former All-star himself who averaged 21 PPG his entire career.

Look at the teams that won throughout the history. Almost all have defensive stalwarts in their team. Neither Durant or Curry are elite at it. Green, Bogut and Iggy are okay and Klay is overrated defensively.

 

[street heat]

Pistons easily beat a team with a big 4 better than the Warriors'

this is a good point, but payton and malone were out of their primes.

this is a tough call. to those who say the pistons didnt have offense, they could have been an incredible offensive team if larry brown didnt force them to be a half court team.

billups, rip, sheed, prince, mike james, mehmet okur, were all good, versatile scorers.

why are we comparing teams to this years warriors though when the jury is still out on whether they will even be better than the 73 win team ?

 

[Niqqa You Gay]

You would think the Warriors won the last 3 NBA Finals the way niccaz talk around here.

Bron almost beat em with a a CBA squad in '14 and stomped a mud hole in their azz last year.

And last years Cavs are not some "all time" great team.

The Warriors have yet to prove that they're some unstoppable force at that level of play(Finals).

Just looking at the stat sheet, the Warriors would be the GOAT team in the history of basketball.

But we know that's not true.I definitely think the '04 Pistons have a shot at beating them

Basically. And this current version has won a total of 0 playoff or regular season games together...

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

this is a good point, but payton and malone were out of their primes.

this is a tough call. to those who say the pistons didnt have offense, they could have been an incredible offensive team if larry brown didnt force them to be a half court team.

billups, rip, sheed, prince, mike james, mehmet okur, were all good, versatile scorers.

why are we comparing teams to this years warriors though when the jury is still out on whether they will even be better than the 73 win team ?

Detroit had the 18th ranked offensive rating. They shot below league average from the field and from distance (11.8 attempts from deep per game at a 34% efficiency). They didn't have a deep rotation, didn't have more than 2-3 total quality shooters on any given night, and were only capable of playing slow paced and low scoring games (they played the slowest pace in the league). They were not capable of winning shootouts or track meets on any consistent basis. With the way offensive strategies have evolved in the NBA and how teams value 3's now and defending transition as opposed to offensive rebounding, they would be forced to hit an even higher percentage of their shots than usual. The Grizzlies from 2011-14 are basically what the Pistons could max out as in this era.

 

[street heat]

Detroit had the 18th ranked offensive rating. They shot below league average from the field and from distance (11.8 attempts from deep per game at a 34% efficiency). They didn't have a deep rotation, didn't have more than 2-3 total quality shooters on any given night, and were only capable of playing slow paced and low scoring games (they played the slowest pace in the league). They were not capable of winning shootouts or track meets on any consistent basis. With the way offensive strategies have evolved in the NBA and how teams value 3's now and defending transition as opposed to offensive rebounding, they would be forced to hit an even higher percentage of their shots than usual. The Grizzlies from 2011-14 are basically what the Pistons could max out as in this era.

because of their system...... billups, rip, prince, sheed (stretch 4), okur (stretch 5) could all make a 3. if they had a better system, the offense would have been better. if they played today they'd put up 105 ppg easy

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

because of their system...... billups, rip, prince, sheed (stretch 4), okur (stretch 5) could all make a 3. if they had a better system, the offense would have been better. if they played today they'd put up 105 ppg easy

Sheed never shot above 34% from distance on a season. Hamilton was a career 17/3 guy who also shot just 34.6% from deep on the career and well below 30% on their title team. Sometimes prince was good from deep. Billups was a pretty good shooter from deep but he never even shot 45% from the field on a season. He didn't even shoot 40% from the field on their 2004 season. Okur was gone from Detroit after that season so whatever he was good at wasn't relevant anyway. That team simply wasn't built to score points.

 

[street heat]

Sheed never shot above 34% from distance on a season. Hamilton was a career 17/3 guy who also shot just 34.6% from deep on the career and well below 30% on their title team. Sometimes prince was good from deep. Billups was a pretty good shooter from deep but he never even shot 45% from the field on a season. He didn't even shoot 40% from the field on their 2004 season. Okur was gone from Detroit after that season so whatever he was good at wasn't relevant anyway. That team simply wasn't built to score points.

then why did they score so much more under flip saunders ? that team had a lot of talent

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

then why did they score so much more under flip saunders ? that team had a lot of talent

They got better, but they were never built to win a shootout.

 

[Consumed]

So we're forgetting some factors like Andre freaking Robertson, Iman Shumpert, JR Smith and Matthew fukkin Dellavadova are slowing down the splash brothers? Offense is nice but you can't beat them with just offense alone. And Lebron is a two-way player. It could be other way around, you could beat them with stiffling defense and above average offense. If Warrior's defense is so elite like you imply, Kyrie, JR and SHump to some extent wouldn't have a field day with Curry. I agree that offense could be better but it doesn't need to be elite.

I mean, Curry averaged 27/6/6 against OKC. 26ppg on 58 TS% in the '15 Finals. What kind of slowing down did they really do here and we've seen what Klay can do when he gets hot no matter the defender

and none of them could hope to limit those two by themselves, it takes a collective team effort. The Cavs were doubling 25 feet away from basket and forcing Barnes to beat them which he failed miserably at doing. How effective is that strat with Durant replacing him?

An offense that's just average or barely above is gonna get choked out by a defense that has ranked among the best in this league since 2014. They'd have a much harder time finding offensive success than vice versa, that's for sure.

JR and Shump were terrible in the finals as a whole. Love was terrible in the Finals as a whole. Channing Frye was irrelevant in the Finals as a whole. That's what the Warriors defense did to role players that were lighting people up in the series prior to the Finals - if you arent a great shot creator, you will struggle against them offensively. Kyrie is a top three isolation scorer in this game and thats why he was able to take advantage of his 1on1 situations, which he only got because LeBron attracts so much attention opposite him. Billups has no one to discourage the Warriors from loading up on him and wasn't as good as Kyrie is 1v1.

Above average offense + dominant defense can work against a lot of teams, but not that one. You really have to be great at both. That's why it was so impressive what the Cavs managed to do for three straight games.

 

[Sean312]

Yall tweakin 04 pistons is oneof the best defensive teams of all Tim and stopped prime shaq and Kobe soft Gs would lose. They lost to the cavs lol. Pistons would probably sweep the cavs

 

[eastside313]

Because when both teams are good on defense and the other can't score for shyt it goes one way. That shyt wouldn't happen with a team like Detroit because they couldn't score. If they were anything beyond a fluke team that was lucky to run into a self destructing laker team then they would have repeated. If Kobe had simply not gone full retard then nobody would remember them as anything special. That team didn't even win 55 games and the dumbasses on here think they belong up there with the 2001 lakers or 2015 warriors or 2014 spurs or 2013 heat or any of the best teams of the last 25 years. Detroit didn't even win their division that year.

Kinda how the warriors ran into a Cleveland that was decimated by injuries And Lebron was by himself and still took em to 6 games. Wonder what would've happened if cavs was at full strength

Since we talkin ifs, if Rasheed didn't leave horry open for a 3 these wack pistons you speak of would've won back to back titles