Rip Hamilton on 2004 Pistons vs 2016 Warriors "It would be no comparison"

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Totally ignoring the shifting of the rules which are now blatantly geared towards offense, to the point where aggressive defense is virtually non-permisble, until the NBA Finals.

During the Finals last year Kerr even lamented that GS wasn't used to the physical defense Cavs were playing, due to the fact that the refs didn't allow teams to play GS like that all year long.

The last major rule change was the zone which slanted heavily in favor of defense

 

[Cynic]

*too high to find D Wade gif when he's saying damn and drinking water so pretend this is it*

you that high ?..........

 

[Consumed]

Not completely true. We never saw them against Spurs in the playoffs so we can't conclude that yet. And Aldridge never have the defensive prowess of Rasheed. You need to shut down their 3 point shooting. Cavs already showed blueprints. Both Klay and Curry were terrible in the finals. If they ain't hitting threes, they are pretty average. Teams like Celtics were close on sweeping them last regular season and there were only 2 or 3 teams with elite perimeter defenders. Billups and Prince aren't slouch on on the defensive end either and capable enough of shutting down Warriors three. Now that only leaves Durant to create something out of nothing, but could also end up bricking shots like he did during the WCF.

Let's not forget that they took Spurs with prime Timmy to 7 games. That Spurs team can definitely beat the Warriors too

Aldridge shot just 42% against the Warriors this season. Idk why we need to see it in the playoffs when defenders actually get away with more contact and it's harder for offensive players to maintain their effectiveness. and then you can just look at the hard evidence of Green being nothing short of an elite post defender, allowing just 36% shooting on the season.

Aldridge IS better than Sheed ever was offensively, and I'm telling you if he can guard LMA it doesn't make sense to say he can't guard a guy that averaged 13ppg with the Pistons. If you are relying on him to beat the Warriors you already lost.

You know why the Cavs won the Finals? Because they had a top five player in NBA history and the best isolation scorer in the game today. Look at the shyt they averaged for 3 straight games to win that series by a net margin of 4 points:

LeBron: 36ppg 11.7rpg 9.7apg 3.0spg 3.0bpg

Kyrie: 30ppg on 53.2 FG%

who the fukk on Detroit is doing that? You're making a mistake thinking that defense is enough to beat that team, you need to combine that with a dominant offensive force and the Pistons did not have that.

and we aren't even getting into Bogut getting injured, Iguodala getting injured, and Green being suspended. Even with Curry & Klay inconsistent it was enough to be up 3-1 on team with the best player of this era.

The 76ers and Nets played the Warriors close in the regular season. Let's not compare the two stages, Boston would get waxed by them in a series.

Billups nor Prince is shutting down the Warriors 3PT attack. They will generate open shots no matter what, there is too much firepower in that offense to defend everyone simultaneously. The question is who they leave open.

Durant in the WCF was on a different team with less talent who utilized him in a vastly different way. It will be much harder to guard KD in a Warriors jersey than in a Thunder jersey. If the Pistons don't double him he's going to blow them up. If they do double him, someone is wide open.

and about Curry, the Cavs were getting away with doubling him aggressively with no repercussions because Barnes couldn't hit anything in the final three games. That is the safety valve the Warriors relied on when teams tried to take him away. Now that guy is replaced by Kevin Durant. LeBron isn't ball hawking off KD the same way he did Barnes and they can't hide Kyrie there anymore.

Those Spurs had two above average offensive anchors in Duncan and Ginobili. Everyone else was a role player and that's why the Pistons had so much success against that offense who also liked to play a slow pace grind it out game. From a matchup perspective, it would be easier for them to play the '05 Spurs than the current Warriors.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Why are we comparig a team winning a title to a team that became the 1st team in finals history to blow a 3-1 lead.

 

[Consumed]

Why are we comparig a team winning a title to a team that became the 1st team in finals history to blow a 3-1 lead.

because Detroit wouldn't even get to game 7 against the Cavs and would probably get beat by OKC too.

You would think the Warriors won the last 3 NBA Finals the way niccaz talk around here.

Bron almost beat em with a a CBA squad in '14 and stomped a mud hole in their azz last year.

And last years Cavs are not some "all time" great team.

The Warriors have yet to prove that they're some unstoppable force at that level of play(Finals).

Just looking at the stat sheet, the Warriors would be the GOAT team in the history of basketball.

But we know that's not true.I definitely think the '04 Pistons have a shot at beating them

The Cavs have one of the greatest players in NBA history though. We've seen LeBron be a one man army in the past, you surround him quality role players and they will be a contender.

Detroit had NOBODY like that! You need a player on that level to beat them, Billups & Rip aint cutting it against a great defense. You don't have to be a GOAT team to beat those Pistons who were clearly limited on a side of the floor.

 

[jwinfield]

Aldridge IS better than Sheed ever was offensively, and I'm telling you if he can guard LMA it doesn't make sense to say he can't guard a guy that averaged 13ppg with the Pistons. If you are relying on him to beat the Warriors you already lost.

When we talk about Sheed, we're only allowed to talk about him as if he was at 100% of his potential.

 

[Consumed]

When we talk about Sheed, we're only allowed to talk about him as if he was at 100% of his potential.

what does this even mean

you're adding conditions to a hypothetical

 

[William F. Russell]

The Warriors are the most disrespected team to have won a chip.

I LOVE IT!


Durant's a cuck.

 

[William F. Russell]

Tayshaun prince

Sheed too.

 

[SlurRty]

Facts? Their defense was elite, but I dunno brehs, Warriors out there looking like they got all the sliders up

Tayshaun Prince was a great defender.. But he's not stopping KD, lets be serious

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

what does this even mean

you're adding conditions to a hypothetical

I have no idea, but Sheed is one of the most overrated players here with the whole mysticism around him

He was a great player but didn't have elite production

 

[Millions]

KD would wash prince

Detroit would steal a game or 2 at home but Dubs too deep offensively

I think draymond would give Wallace problems too

Billups /Curry would be tho

 

[jwinfield]

what does this even mean

you're adding conditions to a hypothetical

I have no idea, but Sheed is one of the most overrated players here with the whole mysticism around him

He was a great player but didn't have elite production

That's what I was trying to say.

Everyone would agree that his talent was amazing, but he rarely played up to his potential. The posters saying Sheed would be this unstoppable force on both sides are talking about something that rarely happened.

Sheed put up 13ppg on 41% in the playoffs, but the way some are talking you'd think he was on some Dream in 95 shyt.

 

[Consumed]

That's what I was trying to say.

Everyone would agree that his talent was amazing, but he rarely played up to his potential. The posters saying Sheed would be this unstoppable force on both sides are talking about something that rarely happened.

Sheed put up 13ppg on 41% in the playoffs, but the way some are talking you'd think he was on some Dream in 95 shyt.

ahh i gotcha. yeah, there's too much revisionist history going on in this thread

nice player but never a superstar and wouldn't be mistaken for one in this series

 

[NormanConnors]

Pistons in no more than 6, and we've been said this