Rock bailing on the entire Cena storyline is honestly some inexcusable shyt

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The answer is that there's no answer. There was never a plan or a storyline beyond the initial turn because it was always about the moment. Nobody thought about the moment after the moment.

Cena was never going to give a straight answer anyway, but I genuinely think he doesn't know what was supposed to happen. He tried adding his own touches (intentionally changing his wrestling style to piss people off, his promo in Lexington), but you can tell he was playing by ear the whole time. Triple H thought it would be cool to see a heel Cena because it had never happened, but had no ideas outside of that. Rock and Travis not being involved like they should have didn't help, but the foundation was already shaky.
 

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The answer is that there's no answer. There was never a plan or a storyline beyond the initial turn because it was always about the moment. Nobody thought about the moment after the moment.

Cena was never going to give a straight answer anyway, but I genuinely think he doesn't know what was supposed to happen. He tried adding his own touches (intentionally changing his wrestling style to piss people off, his promo in Lexington), but you can tell he was playing by ear the whole time. Triple H thought it would be cool to see a heel Cena because it had never happened, but had no ideas outside of that. Rock and Travis not being involved like they should have didn't help, but the foundation was already shaky.
The thing is..Cena should be more than good enough to carry going heel. Should be like driving a car...
 

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The thing is..Cena should be more than good enough to carry going heel. Should be like driving a car...

There was only so much Cena could do with the time he had, the writing getting worse, and the fact that he hadn't been a heel for over twenty years. He had to have a generational heel run in just a few months, which would have been impossible.

He should have turned heel in 2012, but Vince put a stop to it. His promos about the fans abusing him would have hit way harder back then.
 

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There was only so much Cena could do with the time he had, the writing getting worse, and the fact that he hadn't been a heel for over twenty years. He had to have a generational heel run in just a few months, which would have been impossible.

He should have turned heel in 2012, but Vince put a stop to it. His promos about the fans abusing him would have hit way harder back then.
Let's go back to 2012...there's a choice to make. The People's WrestleMania in Miami. WM 28. Now you have Cena win via heel turn by not being able to beat Rock clean or Rock wins clean like he did but Cena clips his knee in the celebration and does the heel turn he truly needed in that run. Easy booking to me.
 

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Let's go back to 2012...there's a choice to make. The People's WrestleMania in Miami. WM 28. Now you have Cena win via heel turn by not being able to beat Rock clean or Rock wins clean like he did but Cena clips his knee in the celebration and does the heel turn he truly needed in that run. Easy booking to me.
Should've turned heel at WM 29 if anything....
 

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My biggest issue with Cena’s heel run was the entire presentation and look of it. Cena imo needed to completely change his theme, ring attire, and overall presentation (wearing suits in non-ring segments) and lean into the corporate/PR Cena style interviews he does now ironically enough. Him still wearing Cena Last Time in Whatever City/Country and Jean shorts while cutting half-hearted heel promos killed it for me. Clear, that Cena wasn’t all into it and WWE still wanted to sell Cena retirement run merch. If both sides were more committed to actually giving a legendary heel title run, it could’ve worked a lot better imo.
 

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There's definitely some heat there but You're John fukking Cena.

You mean to tell he can't put NO influence or input on YOUR retirement tour?
Yeah...I know some fingers going at Rock and HHH, but sounds like Cena was on yes man shyt. fukk that you retiring, fukk the Tim Duncan humble shyt if that's not what you feeling
 

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My biggest issue with Cena’s heel run was the entire presentation and look of it. Cena imo needed to completely change his theme, ring attire, and overall presentation (wearing suits in non-ring segments) and lean into the corporate/PR Cena style interviews he does now ironically enough. Him still wearing Cena Last Time in Whatever City/Country and Jean shorts while cutting half-hearted heel promos killed it for me. Clear, that Cena wasn’t all into it and WWE still wanted to sell Cena retirement run merch. If both sides were more committed to actually giving a legendary heel title run, it could’ve worked a lot better imo.

There was an interview, maybe a year ago, Cena talked about doing a heel run where he would change his gear/theme/look/etc.

 

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My biggest issue with Cena’s heel run was the entire presentation and look of it. Cena imo needed to completely change his theme, ring attire, and overall presentation (wearing suits in non-ring segments) and lean into the corporate/PR Cena style interviews he does now ironically enough. Him still wearing Cena Last Time in Whatever City/Country and Jean shorts while cutting half-hearted heel promos killed it for me. Clear, that Cena wasn’t all into it and WWE still wanted to sell Cena retirement run merch. If both sides were more committed to actually giving a legendary heel title run, it could’ve worked a lot better imo.
He needed heel music, at the least
 

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Just give me the book Paul, you dk what you're doing, I coulda made this shyt wild :wow:

How do you turn Cena heel and then nothing happens to make anyone give a shyt? :why:

I would had him burn down Cody's house and beat up a make a wish kid :demonic:


for starters
 

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There was an interview, maybe a year ago, Cena talked about doing a heel run where he would change his gear/theme/look/etc.



That was the plan for his heel run in 2012 that never happened. CVV brought this up in the new interview and Cena's answer was that he didn't have enough time to make something like that work. Also, in his mind, a heel is someone that doesn't give you what you want. Fans wanted new gear, new theme music, so by not changing anything, it would make him more hated. The compromise was changing his wrestling style, changing his entrance (no more talking to Stu, no more running to the ring), and changing the TitanTron.
 
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