Royce DA 5'9 Throws Joe Budden Under The Bus For Massa Marshall (Eminem) + Joe Responds

[NV-ME]

Joe ain’t Bizzare
He ain’t gotta depend on Em

according to joe, bizarre doesnt even communicate with em, which furthers my point; he still shows respect.

 

[Standing on business]

Royce feels more loyal to em because em did an album with him and put more money in his pocket. Joe doesn't give a fukk. He probably didn't even make real money from slaughterhouse.

 

[fukkyalifestyle]

eminem is soft and thats why his music sucks because he obviously has yes men around him

 

[threattonature]

publicly the way joe went in on him basically accusing him of being disingenuous about race? thats past loyalty and now questioning morals and respect. its one thing to do that with logic, another to do that with someone that cut you a check and brought you aboard.

I think we both agree that Joe definitely went way overboard with the Em criticism. The issue I had with your initial post was the whole "after all Em did for him". He definitely put some money in Joe's pocket but also played a part in fukking it up. Artists big up record labels all the time and then when things go sour say fukk that label all the time. Just not sure why since it's Eminem it should be any different. That'd be like saying the Lox couldn't shyt on Puff once they left Bad Boy.

The main reason Joe probably should've fell back was that it seems him and Royce are legit tight, and he should've respected that relationship enough to keep it more respectful.

 

[Blackout]

"we don't really talk to boss like that Joe"



might as well call em daddy

Forreal

 

[nieman]

there's a way to shyt on someone and a way to give constructive criticism... if someone asks "what do you think of that new lil yachty"


"i didn't really listen to it. it's not my lane of music. i see he's got a movement out here so shout out to him. i see him doing big numbers but i wish he'd spit more lyrics"

vs

"man fukk that weak ass album. nikka mumbling and i can't understand that nonsense.. he just out here doing whatever for the paper... straight trash"




both are truth.. both are saying the same thing.. both are you saying you don't like it... one is nicer put

all royce said was ARTISTS look out for other ARTISTS and don't trash each other in public. if you notice, throughout all genres, that's pretty much a rule.. nobody shyts on others work, no matter if they dropping the same week or not.. even push that to movies, paintings and most artworks.. and most critics ain't pushing hot takes with controversial statements, to keep the fans coming back. combine that with the fact that joe knows em personally, could have called him or got a message to him, or at the least, looked out for him..... yea i understand how royce feels.

imagine you bring some nikka around your super rich friend... this friend puts money in the nikka pocket, puts his money and face behind him, goes to bat for him in his beefs and all that.. knowing that they other mans (50) don't even like you... and years later, that nikka starts trashing your rich friend in public... saying the same artwork that got you a deal, is now trash and he's stealing the culture.... maaaaaaaaaan i'd say a lot worse than royce just did

But people shyt on other people's projects all of the time, especially people that they have a relationship with. You've never heard any artist say that "such and such album is wack"? And Joe Budden, of all people, has been critical of everyone's projects.

If anything, that's what's wrong with any industry. It's not ok to tell someone their ish is wack and to step it up, based on stature?

 

[ZEB WALTON]

I see both sides and agree with both AND disagree. A very complicated situation.

As much as i think joe is a bird, i agree with his eminem breakdown. Royce said “there was an easier way to go about that album that em coulda took but didnt” which i believe is a copout. Em is RICH. He dont need to make hits and can afford to make this album rn. Em needs a target and trump is an an easy one. If em was a rebel he would have went at obama but he knows better. Em needs the black audience for rep like it or not. He has always pandered for rep since day one so this is not nothing new. He did it with Bush hell do it with Trump.

So imo eminem imo deserves NO recognition for this move it was a very easy one to make like every one hes done with his career. “Whos popular rn” = “diss them”. Its a simple equation.

With that said, joe did not have to go out of his way to say all that in that way. Especially when you signed to dide and dude helped reignite the flame on your career.

Joe stans can say all they want, budden was dead in the water pre slaughterhouse. He would not be where he is now without them. So joe going at a supposed friend like this only shows joes arrogance and snake like tendencies.

Joe calling anyone out for attention seeking is funny to me as dude cant keep other MCs names out his mouth.

Hes just a chatty patty bytch ass dude. A social media loving twitter thot. If em was dudes friend that would have been put out in a private conversation not on a popular platform. Joe tried to convince people em was pandering; he was right but there is a time and place for such things and social media/internet/tv isnt one of them; but welcome to the brave new world where nothing is private..

Em gettjng so upset sons a chatty patty makes em look like a hoe too. Em decided to play politics a long time ago and instead of going against the system became a part of it and is helping perpetrate the fraud.

Everyone lost in this sitch. Both have valid points but BOTH made themselves look dumb as fukk with how they made their points. A lesson in humility is needed.

Royce feels more loyal to em because em did an album with him and put more money in his pocket. Joe doesn't give a fukk. He probably didn't even make real money from slaughterhouse.

I know yall budden fans wants to believe this so bad but im sure its false. Budden was on the road with slaughterhouse more than he ever was on his oWn. Em put money in dudes pockets. He took 4 mcs with 0 buzz who were heading to the literal slaughterhouse and gave them a breath of life. Joe prolly thinks he didnt need that breath but dude was DOA idk who he and the budden stans are kidding.

 

[Chip Skylark]

no one said he put him on, he just put him back on. im not an em fan, but we're not gonna act like he didnt give slaughterhouse a deal. and it took a while to get it right, so you know they got a bag.

Other than the Slaughterhouse freestyles and total slaughter what exactly did Joe gain from signing to shady?

Out of all the members in Slaughterhouse Joe is the only one that has made his presence felt since 06 from YouTube(Joe BuddenTv and Everyday Struggle), Twitter, and television(love and hip hop). Unfortunately a lot more people discovered Joe from Love and Hip hop and his social media fukkery than from Slaughterhouse.

Since signing to shady slaughterhouse have lost more fans from that trash album they released than they've gained.. probably because they couldn't do what Joe did which was critique their boss..

Joe is the most successful he has ever been doing a podcast/radio hosting not music and it's possible he would've been in this position anyway cause 1. he was radio host before on hot 97 2. Em and Shady had nothing to do with his current position.

but I do think everyone is right and wrong in this situation.

 

[NV-ME]

I think we both agree that Joe definitely went way overboard with the Em criticism. The issue I had with your initial post was the whole "after all Em did for him". He definitely put some money in Joe's pocket but also played a part in fukking it up. Artists big up record labels all the time and then when things go sour say fukk that label all the time. Just not sure why since it's Eminem it should be any different. That'd be like saying the Lox couldn't shyt on Puff once they left Bad Boy.

The main reason Joe probably should've fell back was that it seems him and Royce are legit tight, and he should've respected that relationship enough to keep it more respectful.

according to joe. thats one side of the story and if we're keeping it a buck, alot of artists play the blame game when their shyt doesnt hit. the mixtapes they put out were more to my liking, but they wouldnt have sold either. slaughterhouse if for rappity rap fans (which i am), but they were never gonna be a commercial sell, so joe kinda throwing blame in em's way is something i dont even acknowledge here. and from what i understand, em never held them back from doing anything solo during or after those albums.

 

[NV-ME]

Other than the Slaughterhouse freestyles and total slaughter what exactly did Joe gain from signing to shady?

a check and you say other than total slaughter, thats also one of the biggest battle rap checks ever achieved by an artist...backed by em. nobody is saying he owes his whole career to eminem, but did something no one else did at that point in time and for that i think he owed him more than not only trashing his album but taking backhanded racial outrage shots at him.

 

[AMcV'88]

first off.
Royce looks like he's wearing a bald cap in that video.

second.
if Eminem opened a bottle of Jack Daniels and slid it across to Royce and said "drink"..he would leap off the wagon.

third...I can't even pretend to care but i find it bizarre (no pun intended) how this all came from Joe showing bias when it came to Eminem and not being critical of Eminem enough to start with and now he's here.

also, speaking of Royce in that video talking about he thought reviews of his album were unfair in the past. make a good album then. his music is terrible and he only sounds good on other peoples beats and even then i feel like i'm in the twilight zone the way people talk about him as an mc as if he's one of the greats. don't see it and never have outside of that Bar Exam 1 time period.

 

[MVike28]

fukk Eminem. I give a fukk what he or his team thinks. I'm an oldhead and never fukked with that cac's music. EVER.

I'm riding with Joe off GP.

 

[HiiiPower]

There’s more context to this on Joes podcast, Joe did nothing wrong, Royce and Em are best Friends..Joe and Em aren’t, and he still gave Em way more compliments on a personal level then negativity to His promotional team in that ES segment that he replayed.

Edit: and it’s clear Royce didn’t hear the whole thing when you listen back to it on the podcast.

 

[Chip Skylark]

a check and you say other than total slaughter, thats also one of the biggest battle rap checks ever achieved by an artist...backed by em. nobody is saying he owes his whole career to eminem, but did something no one else did at that point in time and for that i think he owed him more than not only trashing his album but taking backhanded racial outrage shots at him.

What did Eminem do that no one else did? He was in the bet cypher before shady



Other than paying him for total slaughter what exactly did Joe gain from being signed to Shady other than 1 trash album and 1 shelved album?

Every critic new an old agrees Eminem was pandering and that that album is trash can status. Joe couldve said it differently but even if Joe said simply "it was not a good album" or " hat album didn' live up to the hype" either way Royce, Em, Bizzare or whoever would've felt some type of way about Joe not praising it.. what Joe said is what a lot of people especially black have been saying for over a decade..

I mean come on he road Em nuts so hard a d so much on everyday struggle and people had a problem with it then when he's finally being honest for once people have a problem with it.. Joe is in. lose lose situation.

but Royce will no matter right or wrong be on Ems side which I totally understand theyre great friends and hell do whatever to stay in Ems good graces

 

[SunZoo]

Royce feels more loyal to em because em did an album with him and put more money in his pocket. Joe doesn't give a fukk. He probably didn't even make real money from slaughterhouse.