Ryan Coogler talks about how he felt guilty trying to connect to Africa instead of his FBA Ancestors - “I only saw my first Cotton Field in 2021”

[Fillerguy]

This is wrong. There is no pan european shyt going on. evident by the world wars combined with irish colonization combined with the treatment of the irish and the i-ties in America.

Even on twitter every time whites in america try to push that shyt they get shut down.

It is, the desire to send us on this endless path of “finding out who you are “ and “reconnecting” with your ancestors weakens our claim to america and to reparations.

also splinters us as an ethnic group and causes division. You and I could descend from different places but under the ethnicity it doesn’t matter. And it does the further you go back.

It also gave us this weird ass martyr complex we have now. muling for everyone. nikkas signing up to fight wars for random people in ethiopia but not building enough Here.

these are all things they want from us. if had focused on ethnicity and lineage the last hundred years we’d be far more along the path

1. I never brought pan-europeanism was a thing.

2. That definitely exists. We just call it whiteness. Or European Ethnonationism. We votes for some of their supporters last November. Many of them have their own wiki.

List of white nationalist organizations - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

3. No one is making you acknowledge your African ancestry. Nobody cares. But if you're going to sit and cow toe for ws because you don't want to be associated with Africans, you've lost the plot.

How the fukk does ones heritage cause divison? You wouldn't say that stupid shyt to a cac fukk bumblefukk Arkansas, 1000 years removed from his viking ancestor who raped some peassnt cacette. Or some Boston cac when he rambles on about his foul toothed ancestor's Irishman coat of arms.

Fun fact, more people of Irish descent live in the US than reside in Ireland. And them cacs can trace their ancestors touching down in the US within a generation or two of when we were dragged in. But you don't have a problem with them claiming their heritage.


Some about this nation puts the fear of God in people when nikkas try to click up. You must've inherited their gene

 

[HimmyHendrix]

outdated Pannie babble while not living in africa

u good lil bro. we not muling for africa. i got african ancestry* not heritage or lineage

i couldn’t care less what happens to that continent or its inhabitants

 

[IllmaticDelta]

a better question is who told a subgroup of Black Americans to only focus on West African (Egypt too, for some odd reason) history rather than their own?

It started with "free" Aframs in the North (1800s) who were attempting to prove that Africa (the land of their ancestors) wasn't a place of savages w/o any history like the racist white americans were saying. Repost:

From the 17th century onwards, debates over the slave trade, racism, and colonialism helped crystallise these negative narratives in western discourses. Abolitionists argued that Africa was a place of suffering because the slave trade provoked war, disease, famine and poverty; anti-Abolitionists said Africa was so forbidding as to make slavery in foreign countries a positive escape. Either way, Africa was full of "savagery" and constant war.

The growing discourse on race added a further dimension to these debates, supposedly explaining "African backwardness" and "savagery" as biologically-predetermined characteristics. Social Darwinists, such as Herbert Spencer, and eugenicists, such as Francis Galton, exerted enormous influence and lent credibility to generalised xenophobia. That these works were extended exercises in sophistry and casuistry need hardly be mentioned.

Colonialism went even further; because of what they thought they knew about Africa – a land of fantastical beasts and cannibals, slaves, "backward races" and so on – the colonial powers managed to convince themselves that they were subjugating Africans (and others) for their own good. European violence was going to stop the wars endemic to Africa, and their enlightened (over-)rule would be to the benefit of all (via Livingstone's ideas of "Christianity, Civilisation and Commerce").

History of Africa through western eyes

These kind of views on Africa is why ADOS would pioneer black/africana studies

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[Ozymandeas]

1. I never brought pan-europeanism was a thing.

2. That definitely exists. We just call it whiteness. Or European Ethnonationism. We votes for some of their supporters last November. Many of them have their own wiki.

List of white nationalist organizations - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

3. No one is making you acknowledge your African ancestry. Nobody cares. But if you're going to sit and cow toe for ws because you don't want to be associated with Africans, you've lost the plot.

How the fukk does ones heritage cause divison? You wouldn't say that stupid shyt to a cac fukk bumblefukk Arkansas, 1000 years removed from his viking ancestor who raped some peassnt cacette. Or some Boston cac when he rambles on about his foul toothed ancestor's Irishman coat of arms.

Fun fact, more people of Irish descent live in the US than reside in Ireland. And them cacs can trace their ancestors touching down in the US within a generation or two of when we were dragged in. But you don't have a problem with them claiming their heritage.


Some about this nation puts the fear of God in people when nikkas try to click up. You must've inherited their gene

He’s a c00n breh. He was on here yesterday talking about why white women make better partners. Now I don’t have a problem with dating interracially but holistically…taking all things into account….bro is a just a self hating c00n. A negropean if you will 1) Doesn’t want to be associated with Africa 2) Likes white women 3) Thinks black women aren’t good partners.

Absolute clown

 

[DonB90]

Africa left us to rot in the belly of white supremacy. I don't really owe them any time or effort to reconnect

Going back go the clayfields of Gawju as a child where my ppl were born stayed with me though it's the main reason I give any mfer hell for talking any way bout FBA's

 

[RC-P90]

if i get a dna test the results will say sub saharan african. that might not mean shyt to fba but it mean something to me.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Bro before tariq and fba-THATS ALL IT WAS. Thats the actual real gripe. Tariq is just a smokescreen

The very concept of delineation was considered divisive. I was there in the beginning and so were you.

There was a delineation movement right here on the coli that predates tariq,fba,ados or any of that shyt FOR YEARS. You guys were saying the same things back then,that your saying now

Facts!!!! #AAgang was a thing on this website at a time when Tariq was known as an extreme Pan-Africanist!!!

 

[HarlemHottie]

@K.O.N.Y @Jazzy B.

Responses?

This is not a gotcha. We came from Africa, half a millennium ago. Yes, we continued the griot tradition... and certain adapted African foodways... and syncopated rhythm (I think?)... and braids... Your point?

 

[HarlemHottie]

if i get a dna test the results will say sub saharan african. that might not mean shyt to fba but it mean something to me.

That's kinda sad. You have no respect for your great-grandparents and them who probably survived the Klan and the burning years of 1920-1.

We have to do better with our children, yall.

 

[Peter Popoff]

That’s not the type of time he’s on. He was describing how he partially arrived at conceptualizing Sinners - and it involved a crazy 24 hours in which he witnessed a cotton field for the first time. Coogler is a proud black american man, but he has pan-african sensibilities. In this very same interview he lists pan-african authors as some of his research points for the movie. In the movie he makes a direct connection to Africa (this is without mentioning how affectionately he speaks of Africa often)

In this interview he - again - makes the direct connection from Africa to Blues in the deep American South:



People are using out of context excerpts and quotes to project onto him

They do the same thing with T..... 🫢

 

[blackestofpanthers]

Facts!!!! #AAgang was a thing on this website at a time when Tariq was known as an extreme Pan-Africanist!!!

Edit

 

[O.Red]

Slavery according to white teachings is just a bunch of black people picking cotton. When in reality slavery was the emulation of an entire workforce. If there’s a job, there’s a slave doing it for free.

Teaching it as just cotton picking helps to dehumanize enslaved people and takes away from what the reality of what slavery actually was. A free workforce, free industry, unfettered capitalism with no workers rights and no pay.

Not only an emulation, but a precursor

Slavery was the beta test for the current American workforce

Everything that everyone allows to happen to black folks, eventually happens to everyone

 

[O.Red]

Africa left us to rot in the belly of white supremacy. I don't really owe them any time or effort to reconnect

Going back go the clayfields of Gawju as a child where my ppl were born stayed with me though it's the main reason I give any mfer hell for talking any way bout FBA's

Although I agree with this sentiment I don't think that's the crux of the argument against pan africanism

The most egregious crime of pan africanism to me is how one sided the relationship has been over the past 100 years. Black Americans have done an overwhelming majority of the heavy lifting and have been constantly gaslit into maintaining the one sided relationship, all while being called uncultured, ungrateful, and lazy

 

[RadaMillz]

I really don't like that Cooglers words are being taken out of context. I think he is saying is not cutting off his African roots. But more so finding pride in the what African-Americans have built in this country that has been hostile to us, making lemons out of lemonade, I can respect that.

This is how I understood it as well and I see no issues with it.

 

[Sbp]

Although I agree with this sentiment I don't think that's the crux of the argument against pan africanism

The most egregious crime of pan africanism to me is how one sided the relationship has been over the past 100 years. Black Americans have done an overwhelming majority of the heavy lifting and have been constantly gaslit into maintaining the one sided relationship, all while being called uncultured, ungrateful, and lazy

This. Muhfukkas pretend like they can't understand it though.