Salary Caps Should Be Illegal

[FTBS]

@FTBS

The mistake you're making is thinking that the same variance in baseball and soccer holds true in basketball. It doesn't. There are considerably far fewer variables in hoops given the probability of scoring on a possession. Soccer and baseball are almost entirely games of single digit scoring. Whereas the league-average scoring possessions in a NBA game this season was 100+ (FGM and FTA).

That means whoever has the most talent will win 9 times out of 10.

On the note of the other owners letting him in -

If Ballmer wasn't allowed to own a NBA team, wouldn't that then essentially put a net worth cap on the owners who could enter the NBA, meaning there'd still ultimately be a salary cap?

I am talking about basketball. College basketball has had way more variance than the NBA in the cap era. All the best players didnt end up on one or 2 teams. Stacked teams lost. Teams didnt get cut in half. Now we can look at single elimination...thats valid. But we still talking a situation where there wasnt a limit (aside from rosters sizes of course) on how many talented players you could bring in. And again we have not seen parity in the NBA for most of the cap era. Ironically the period folks literally worship had 2 and the 1 team head and shoulders over everyone.

I think no cap actually gives other teams more of a shot. Teams from smaller markets can actually pay a premium for dudes. Teams that really want to compete arent hamstrung by injuries or ill-fated signings.

Everybody is capped by what ownership, management etc has to pay. I see your point but keeping a super wealthy dude out so he doesnt take over =/= putting artificial limits on what current ownership can pay.

My main issue with the cap and defense of it is that its all based in the owners interest and the defense of it is their propaganda. They dont give a shyt about any of the stuff folks talking bout in here. They bout that bread. They bout being cheap and/or incompetent and still getting that bread.

I dont totally dismiss the concerns of you and others. But I also dont accept "whoa is me why whatever could we do if we actually had to put our money where our mouth is" from billionaires.

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

I'm going to go through this slowly. If you were to eliminate the salary cap, that means small market teams would have a lot of trouble competing. If small market teams cannot compete, nobody is going to watch them or attend the games. That puts those small markets in jeopardy and with that, it puts players jobs in jeopardy.

If a league can sustain 30 teams. That's extra jobs for players. If a league can only sustain 20 teams. That's a lot fewer. Do you understand the simple math?

So what if yall had a job, and the owner told you, I don’t care how much money you generate, I will never pay you over X dollars? Do you think that would be fair? Would you bring up parity around the office or would you want your salary potential to be uncapped?

 

[NotAnFBIagent]

So what if yall had a job, and the owner told you, I don’t care how much money you generate, I will never pay you over X dollars? Do you think that would be fair? Would you bring up parity around the office or would you want your salary potential to be uncapped?

Stop being willfully obtuse

 

[MoshpitMazi]

I'm cool with no cap but up the taxes and penalties if cats want to get crazy with the spending.

This

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

Stop being willfully obtuse

How I being willfully obtuse? I am countering a point that supports a salary cap with a question to highlight the fact that most people would not be in support of a salary cap if they were in the position of generating more money than they are allowed to to make.

I ask again, how am I being willfully obtuse?

 

[010101]

no salary cap no draft*

 

[charknicks]

This thread and idea is such a dumb argument. Of course there has to be a salary cap. There has to be more then 5-6 teams that people care about.

Unless you just want a 5-6 team league and teams play each other 15 times each, what would be the point of watching the other 20 teams? There would be 0 reason to have any games on TV that didnt have any of the big 6 teams.

 

[FTBS]

How I being willfully obtuse? I am countering a point that supports a salary cap with a question to highlight the fact that most people would not be in support of a salary cap if they were in the position of generating more money than they are allowed to to make.

I ask again, how am I being willfully obtuse?

People dont realize how they have subconsciously bought into owner propoganda. I am not judging or pointing fingers either, I am actually speaking from experience.

 

[tremonthustler1]

The Lakers just had a game where nobody subbed in for the entire second half. It is clear the talent is too spread out from having too many teams.

I'm also sick of watching only 6, 7 or 8 players get burn come playoff time. It's clear many of these guys aren't NBA material.

Less teams = more quality teams. Cheap owners need not apply.

I thought there was this pool of talent so deep that we need two more teams.

 

[Trojan 24]

Y'all do not want to see rich teams play another team where not one of the other players would even make their roster. That shyt happens in college and you get 40/50 point blowouts regularly. March Madness one and done helps, but in 7 Game series good luck. There would be no point in watching until probably the Semi-Finals.

This isn't soccer where you can scheme and park the bus then take a couple chances on long balls to steal a goal

 

[Loose]

Terrible thread holy shyt lol

 

[Loose]

I thought there was this pool of talent so deep that we need two more teams.

I been anti expansion for years cause of this reason, talent pool overrated

 

[charknicks]

Ok, so if there was no salary cap example:

-Biggest stars would go to biggest/most desireable cities- NY, LA, Chicago, Miami, Houston, Dallas. Thats 8 teams.
-The other 22 teams would be 2nd class citizens.
-With no cap, and earlier mentioned 'owners propaganda', the owners of the 8 would have no reason to agree to revenue sharing with the other 22, since they are bringing in all the money.
-So now, with the other 22 teams not bringing in as much (cause big stars arent coming there, they dont have as much money to play players, that cycle would keep trending downward), your mid level stars that you want to get paid well will lose money in salary (teams cant pay them as much), AND endorsements (who is spending money to endorse players that are never seen/no one cares about?)
-Players on the 22 wont try as hard, or would even play overseas cause they can make more money in some of these other countries. Fans of the 22 will not care to watch cause their teams will not have exciting stars/ players who care. (Plus, would these players play hard to become 7th-9th men on one of the Big 8 teams and get 10-14 minutes a night off the bench?)
-League would overall suffer


Feel free to dispute any of the above points.

 

[Trojan 24]

Ok, so if there was no salary cap example:

-Biggest stars would go to biggest/most desireable cities- NY, LA, Chicago, Miami, Houston, Dallas. Thats 8 teams.
-The other 22 teams would be 2nd class citizens.
-With no cap, and earlier mentioned 'owners propaganda', the owners of the 8 would have no reason to agree to revenue sharing with the other 22, since they are bringing in all the money.
-So now, with the other 22 teams not bringing in as much (cause big stars arent coming there, they dont have as much money to play players, that cycle would keep trending downward), your mid level stars that you want to get paid well will lose money in salary (teams cant pay them as much), AND endorsements (who is spending money to endorse players that are never seen/no one cares about?)
-Players on the 22 wont try as hard, or would even play overseas cause they can make more money in some of these other countries. Fans of the 22 will not care to watch cause their teams will not have exciting stars/ players who care. (Plus, would these players play hard to become 7th-9th men on one of the Big 8 teams and get 10-14 minutes a night off the bench?)
-League would overall suffer


Feel free to dispute any of the above points.

You can add what happens to the draft? You're gonna have young #1 picks playing on the low level teams for 4/5 years just waiting to head to LA after their contract is up? They may load manage every year

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

It’s a thread on here about the second apron and most posters against it, but yall have no problem with a salary cap. When will yall understand that salary caps should be illegal?