Salary Caps Should Be Illegal

[MushroomX]

Owners already pass every cost they can on to fans. They arent lowering prices because they have a cap. They still charging as much as possible. If you paying a scrub $60 mil thats a choice and your bad. At least with no cap you can correct that mistake rather than just being stuck for years because you cant afford anything else under the cap.

NFL prints money and fills stadiums and has a cap yet it does everything you just bemoaned above. nikkas get gouged at draft events and for EXHIBITION games. NFL absolutely does not have parity. Fans in every city are invested because they actually like football and its a community event and its only 8/9 games.

Exactly. Owners are gonna gouge fans no matter what. But in the NFL, a salary cap at least forces some level of team-building discipline and parity. Without it, you get what MLB has: rich teams hoarding talent while half the league drifts in irrelevance. The cap doesn't fix greed, but it keeps the league competitive.

 

[FTBS]

Exactly. Owners are gonna gouge fans no matter what. But in the NFL, a salary cap at least forces some level of team-building discipline and parity. Without it, you get what MLB has: rich teams hoarding talent while half the league drifts in irrelevance. The cap doesn't fix greed, but it keeps the league competitive.

How is that any different from the NFL? Chiefs been more dominant than the Dodgers. Pats were more dominant than the Yankees.

 

[MushroomX]

How is that any different from the NFL? Chiefs been more dominant than the Dodgers. Pats were more dominant than the Yankees.

The NFL’s structure forces teams to constantly adapt. Mahomes has had to play with cheaper receivers, Tyreke wanted his money. Dynasties eventually get dismantled by cap pressures.

 

[FTBS]

The NFL’s structure forces teams to constantly adapt. Mahomes has had to play with cheaper receivers, Tyreke wanted his money. Dynasties eventually get dismantled by cap pressures.

We moving goalposts. We have established that owners are gonna gouge fans regardless and the capped NFL has less parity than uncapped baseball. All a cap does is keep money in owners pockets and removes any pressure that fans may have put on them to spend it.

 

[charknicks]

Do you think salaries aren't capped in every industry in existence? Every company has a budget with a set percentage the company is willing to pay. Pretty much every job has a set limit they are willing to pay for each department and each position in the company. And before you counter with the NBA being a monopoly that is also a reality in a lot of the working world. There is always a top company in any industry that pays more than others, in this case it's the NBA.

This. The difference between the NBA and most industries is that the NBA salaries are made public. Most industries have a cap to certain jobs/positions, just no one know what it is. Why you think they dont want people sharing salary info.

 

[charknicks]

No salary cap would be a death blow for smaller market teams. Only hope for them would be a shiek or an oligarch with money to burn to buy their team.

Look at European football, I know there's spending limits when it comes to transfers, but there is no 'salary cap' and it's the same teams that dominate in their leagues year in year out because they have the money to pay the best players. Smaller teams are basically farm systems for big teams.

In the past 15 years for European football -

Ligue 1 (French league) - PSG has won 11 league titles
EPL (English) - MC 8 (other winners are all big money clubs besides LC which was a miracle season for them)
La Liga (Spanish) - basically a rotation between Barcelona and RM
Bundesliga (German) - Bayern Munich 12
Seria A (Italian) - Juventus 8

Why the fukk would US fans want this for their American sports?

Ronaldo in Saudi just got a contract for $225 million/year with incentives to earn more. And 15% percent of the team.

And these dudes in here think that 30 team owners are just gonna kick that money over to players. If one was able to, the others wouldnt be able to keep up, and you would have disgruntled players across the league. The league would fall apart in 5 years, tops.

People need to learn economics.

Also, hundredaires and thousandaires crying that millionaires arent getting enough is crazy talk. What is wrong with you no salary cap people? Use that same energy to get more in your pocket. You dont even know what your bosses or owners of your job make. They make enough to pay you and still be more then straight, just like these team owners. So why arent you at their door, demanding a bigger cut?

 

[FTBS]

For those saying all salaries have a cap that is true...it is also not comparable or relevant. Most people's salaries are capped by what companies are capable of and willing to pay based on what that person generates. There are multiple teams that would pay $100 mil a year for a 40 yr old Bron right now because he would generate way more than that for them. They are literally not allowed to because the owners conspired to artificially keep that price down. We complain about players not giving there all and load management (owner's doing btw) and how much money they make and not being competive all the time. But then turn around and not only tolerate but cape for owners putting mechanisms in place that allow them to not give their all and compete despite making significantly more money on the backs of those players?

 

[CHICAGO]

NO SALARY CAP MEANS
NO SALARY FLOOR ...

EVERY PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE
CANT FIT ON THE 6 TEAMS WHO
ARE GONNA SPEND SILLY MONEY
SO THE BROKE TEAMS CAN UNDERPAY
80% OF THE LEAGUE.

THE NBAPA AGREED TO
THIS CURRENT STRUCTURE SO
ALL THE PLAYERS CAN GET PAID
AND NOT JUST THE BEST OF THE BEST


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[Loose]

NO SALARY CAP MEANS
NO SALARY FLOOR ...

EVERY PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE
CANT FIT ON THE 6 TEAMS WHO
ARE GONNA SPEND SILLY MONEY
SO THE BROKE TEAMS CAN UNDERPAY
80% OF THE LEAGUE.

THE NBAPA AGREED TO
THIS CURRENT STRUCTURE SO
ALL THE PLAYERS CAN GET PAID
AND NOT JUST THE BEST OF THE BEST


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Yea if helps everyone from the first guy to the 15th man, no salary cap only helps the very top players and super markets like LA

 

[yseJ]

imagine being so concerned about the very top players to dismiss salary cap and implications of not having one as "nerd shyt"


salary cap doesnt necessarily limit what players can make directly, it limits teams from paying many great players.

with no salary cap, if you do have revenue sharing, you will have many teams and cheap owners who will keep getting $ and wont even pretend to attempt to compete. you will have leech teams just like marlins in baseball


and if you dont have revenue sharing, draft, you will quickly find out that while yes, superstars will be paid way more, an average player will make A LOT LESS. What would happen is that in a "league" with no draft, rookie payscale, cap....especially in basketball everyone will want to play on the same four-five teams and once those teams run out of space...the rest will be paid peanuts.

it will be just like euro soccer...smaller teams grooming and preparing a young player who is paid peanuts and then he is sold to a bigger team to turn a profit for the smaller team. every single team aside from top 4-5 will be a feeder team and every player on those teams dream would be to be good enough to join Lakers, Knicks, etc

 

[Copy Ninja]

it will be just like euro soccer...smaller teams grooming and preparing a young player who is paid peanuts and then he is sold to a bigger team to turn a profit for the smaller team. every single team aside from top 4-5 will be a feeder team and every player on those teams dream would be to be good enough to join Lakers, Knicks, etc

At Real Madrid, here are the top 18 salaries/year -

David Alaba $26,358,800
Luka Modrić $25,503,920
Vinícius Júnior $24,364,080
Jude Bellingham $24,364,080
Kylian Mbappé $22,796,800
Thibaut Courtois $18,094,960
Antonio Rüdiger $16,955,120
Aurélien Tchouameni $14,675,440
Rodrygo $14,105,520
Federico Valverde $12,823,200
Dani Carvajal $12,182,040
Ferland Mendy $12,182,040
Dani Ceballos $12,182,040
Éder Militão $10,899,720
Lucas Vázquez $10,899,720
Eduardo Camavinga $9,688,640
Brahim Díaz $8,548,800

Villareal, who came in 5th in La Liga and their top 18 salaries/year

Juan Bernat $9,831,120
Gerard Moreno $3,205,800
Raúl Albiol $2,279,680
Juan Foyth $2,065,960
Dani Parejo $2,065,960
Alfonso Pedraza $1,994,720
Denis Suárez $1,923,480
Ayoze Pérez $1,923,480
Álex Baena $1,781,000
Yeremy Pino $1,424,800
Santi Comesaña $1,282,320
Kiko Femenía $1,282,320
Éric Bailly $1,282,320
Luiz Júnior $1,068,600
Ramón Terrats $997,360
Sergi Cardona $997,360
Ilias Akhomach $854,880
Nicolas Pépé $634,036

Villareal's highest paid player makes about the same as RM's 18th best player

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Crazy post. Go look at European soccer if you want to know what the NFL/NBA would look like without a salary cap. Just a handful of teams monopolizing the elite talent and winning the bulk of titles.

I don’t think the salary cap played a major role in that….. with that being said, there definitely shouldn’t be a “max” salary.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

This thread and idea is such a dumb argument. Of course there has to be a salary cap. There has to be more then 5-6 teams that people care about.

Unless you just want a 5-6 team league and teams play each other 15 times each, what would be the point of watching the other 20 teams? There would be 0 reason to have any games on TV that didnt have any of the big 6 teams.

70 percent of NBA championships have been won by the same 5 teams basically, and I think only one of those teams is a small market team….

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I guess all the ones in here supporting the salary cap for the sake of small market teams must watch Group of 5 college football as opposed to a team that’s in a Power 4 conference

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

The salary cap also (rightfully) punishes franchises for bad contracts and overpaying players.

The Suns are kneecapped by Bradley Beals contract, nobody is willing to take on that type of money for that caliber of a player.