Salute Kobe.....

[pete clemenza]

and jordan didnt?

lmaooo

so scottie was just a bum?

what about dennis rodman?

what about phil jackson?

arent these hall of famers?

shut the fukk up

And where did I say Jordan didn't get any help? I'm not a Kobe vs Jordan guy like everybody else. Stop it! Niccas tryin' to put words in my mouth. I thought we were talkin' about Kobe? I'm not a Kobe stan nor a Jordan stan

 

[pete clemenza]

No he wasnt



The ONLY players in the NBA who, at one point or the other, were ever "neck n neck" with Kobe in that time period were Allen Iverson and Tracy McGrady


Vince's best season was 2001 and even THEN he wasnt being talked about with Kobe and Iverson as "who's the best in the NBA".


Did you forget how hyped the 2001 Finals were?

Shiiiiit

na i disagree on both points

vince was never kobe lol

he was nasty as fukk tho

but he never had a crash imo he just got old

his game was his athleticism

once he lost a step he wasnt that superstar but he was still a solid player especially on the nets

Vince was that dude back in the day, fukk what you talkin' about. Stern and the league pumped him as the 2nd coming. Niccas stay downplayin' Vince cause he's didn't age well like Kobe and didn't have the killer instinct like Kobe later in his career. I'm just talkin' about that nice 4-5 year stretch Vince had not entire career vs entire career- of course Kobe wins on that front. Vince started to fall after that controversy where he went to his graduation at UNC instead of being with the team for practice before that game 7 in the playoffs.

A.I. was that dude, but the league was kinda on guard of his image. And McGrady was whatever, the league never got behind McGrady like they did Vince

 

[FTBS]

You're gonna lose this argument by default. If he didn't shoot enough, he quit. and if he shot too much, he's a team killer.

And on the other side if he doesn't shoot enough "he's proving a point and I can't blame him fukk the haters!!! " and if he shoots too much " it's not like any of his perennial all-star teammates can score." Silliness abounds on both sides. Can't lie it can be entertaining .

 

[HarlemsOwn]

And where did I say Jordan didn't get any help? I'm not a Kobe vs Jordan guy like everybody else. Stop it! Niccas tryin' to put words in my mouth. I thought we were talkin' about Kobe? I'm not a Kobe stan nor a Jordan stan

i dont mean to put words in ya mouth

but when you say shyt like "he had a ton of help"

its like you throwin shots at the nikka

ppl who say that always tend to use that as an argument as to why he not on the level of jordan

thats all b

 

[FTBS]

i dont mean to put words in ya mouth

but when you say shyt like "he had a ton of help"

its like you throwin shots at the nikka

ppl who say that always tend to use that as an argument as to why he not on the level of jordan

thats all b

And his loyalists tend to point to his ring total and try to degrade his teammates in order to prop him up. The reality is to a certain extent it's all true. He has had a ton of help. He has won 5 rings. He's one of the greatest players ever. He's been fortunate as well. I just don't understand why it is so hard to acknowledge that all of this shyt is true rather than picking and choosing certain shyt to argue about.

 

[pete clemenza]

i dont mean to put words in ya mouth

but when you say shyt like "he had a ton of help"

its like you throwin shots at the nikka

ppl who say that always tend to use that as an argument as to why he not on the level of jordan

thats all b

I ain't throwin' shots at Kobe.. he's a great player no doubt about it but its a fact- he had the best of help. Hell Jordan wrote the book on getting the best of help, Kobe followed the blueprint. If that makes you feel better. But you can't assume anybody that says something about Kobe is thinking about Jordan.

basketball fan: "kobe is shooting too much in this game"

you: "so what are you saying, jordan shot the ball a lot too nicca"

basketball fan:

 

[HarlemsOwn]

And his loyalists tend to point to his ring total and try to degrade his teammates in order to prop him up. The reality is to a certain extent it's all true. He has had a ton of help. He has won 5 rings. He's one of the greatest players ever. He's been fortunate as well. I just don't understand why it is so hard to acknowledge that all of this shyt is true rather than picking and choosing certain shyt to argue about.

everyone has help

the funny shyt is that i never hear ppl say that about larry bird or magic johnson

look at they teams

they were filled with hall of famers

same thing with jordan team

you dont win championships by yourself

 

[R=G]

lol....Of course he's no MJ. MJ didn't ride anyone for 3 titles. And sure Jordan had help but he was the main reason and the go to player when it was money time....you had some lucky 3s and what not but Jordan was easily the difference maker in the NBA during his prime. He had two 3 Peats. He's on his own level. Always has been.

 

[RedBull]

everyone has help

the funny shyt is that i never hear ppl say that about larry bird or magic johnson

look at they teams

they were filled with hall of famers

same thing with jordan team

you dont win championships by yourself

Though I agree with this post, Kobe is easier to pick on and there aren't any Bird or Magic protectors/stans up here.

 

[FTBS]

everyone has help

the funny shyt is that i never hear ppl say that about larry bird or magic johnson

look at they teams

they were filled with hall of famers

same thing with jordan team

you dont win championships by yourself

The irony is that people shat on Mike for now winning and making his teammates better early on and his response was (paraphrasing here) "It's one thing to try to make Kareem and Worthy better. I gotta make Brad Sellars better." Of course no one wins with help. That only really becomes an issue when you compare two individuals and you automatically give the guy with rings the edge while totally ignoring the surrounding pieces.

 

[R=G]

Vince's best season was 2001 and even THEN he wasnt being talked about with Kobe and Iverson as "who's the best in the NBA".

WTF is this bullshyt Nobody was hyping no fukking Kobe Bryant in 2001 as "the best"...not with Shaq beasting like he was. Everything went through Shaq and that's why they MURDERED the 76ers after the first game..Iverson played his heart out and it wasn't enough because just like Iverson said at the press conference "They got Shaq. What can you do?" and that's that. The perennial question back then was "Why isn't Shaq the MVP every single year?".

 

[Swagnificent]

WTF is this bullshyt Nobody was hyping no fukking Kobe Bryant in 2001 as "the best"...not with Shaq beasting like he was. Everything went through Shaq and that's why they MURDERED the 76ers after the first game..Iverson played his heart out and it wasn't enough because just like Iverson said at the press conference "They got Shaq. What can you do?" and that's that.

yeah nobody was hyping Kobe even though he was leading the league in scoring for the first half of 2001......then he went on to average 29/7/7 in the playoffs while dropping 48/16 and 45/10 in back to back games against the Kings and Spurs

it was during the 01 playoff run that Shaq said Kobe was the best player in the NBA

2001 was the first season Kobe established himself as one of the best players in the league. During that playoff run the media was consistently talking about how the Lakers are unbeatable because the Lakers had the 2 best players in the league. You could argue Shaq was better and maybe Duncan. But after that, I think you'd have to say Kobe.

 

[R=G]

You can show that goofy ass smilie all year long...he wasn't rated higher than Iverson in 2001 or DEFINITELY wasn't the bread and butter of the Lakers. They had a losing record when Shaq wasn't there and when Kobe was out with just Shaq there, they had a winning record, which suggested he was just a role player and always was grounds for the argument of him being replaceable by McGrady or any other simiilar type with Shaq. Didn't matter. That's where all of that came from. He was a great asset to Shaq but he was a ball hog and made games harder when he took wild shots instead of them running the offense to Shaq for easy transition points. Team was dominant but that's where some of the tension came from.

In 2001, Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Iverson, and Kobe was going strong. But really..there was no answer for Shaq when it came down to it and that's why he was the dominant player of the era. He made everything easier for everyone..perimeter players the most. The instant double teams made Kobe's job VERY easy compared to Iverson.

 

[HarlemsOwn]

yeah nobody was hyping Kobe even though he was leading the league in scoring for the first half of 2001......then he went on to average 29/7/7 in the playoffs while dropping 48/16 and 45/10 in back to back games against the Kings and Spurs

it was during the 01 playoff run that Shaq said Kobe was the best player in the NBA

2001 was the first season Kobe established himself as one of the best players in the league. During that playoff run the media was consistently talking about how the Lakers are unbeatable because the Lakers had the 2 best players in the league. You could argue Shaq was better and maybe Duncan. But after that, I think you'd have to say Kobe.

in 2001 kobe was better than iverson?

 

[Swagnificent]

In 2001, Kobe was the second best player in the league after Shaq. His performance in the Western Conference Playoffs proved it. You nikkas need to realize that Shaq held back Kobe INDIVIDUALLY. If Kobe switched places with AI in 2001, he would've prolly woulda averaged 35/6/5 for the season. Remember how Kobe went off whenever Shaq wasn't playing. He scored 56 points in 3 quarters in 2002 after Shaq was suspended for swinging at Brad Miller.

Not saying he'd would've won titles over Shaq but his game INDIVIDUALLY was superior to Allen Iverson in 2001. He was a better shooter, defender, and playmaker. AI was only quicker and arguably a better penetrator but I wouldn't say it was clear cut.