I thought he was joking with this thread
Samsung should probably make the Galaxy S5 use Tizen
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I thought he was joking with this thread
aXiom
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Yes! If you want any chance at selling android phones where it counts you need google's apps, which includes the play store. The play store can and will survive without samsung, but it doesn't work the other way around. Does samsung move the most units of all the android OEMS by a large margin? Yes it does. Can samsung survive without the playstore? Yes it can, at the cost of those ridiculous multi billion dollar profitable quarters. Last I checked, Samsung was in the business of making money so as much as they don't like relying on google, they have no other choice.
Winb never ceases to amaze me 
then why do they want to make Tizen? how do you even get that new platform off the ground the way the market is now? nobody is clamoring for a replacement for Apple / Google. Tizen is destined to flop if they don't use the brand they build (Galaxy) as leverage to get it more attention. If they launch it on a new brand you'll be able to hear the crickets. they can't have it both ways. either you wanna break bread with Google or you wanna replace them. from there they make a choice and go all in.
i know people to this day that say Windows Phone is better than either Android or iOS and the market doesn't care. if Microsoft can't break into this Samsung ain't either.
invincible1914
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It's a safety net in case Google get on some other shyt.
It has already flopped. Tizen is an just in case OS. If something was to happen to android they have a OS to fall back on.
aXiom
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Tizen is to samsung what apple TV is to Apple, a hobby. You're making a bigger deal out of it than they are. You'll never see a flagship glalaxy phone or tablet running tizen.
Why make this thread breh? Its just dumb on so many levels.
Article from CNET on Samsung's Developers Conference in October.
at Samsung trying to sneak Tizen into the conference, like anybody give a fukk. They have to pay developers to make apps for Tizen. They have to push HTML5/web apps on Tizen to interest developers. So we already know that apps on Tizen will run worse than on iOS & Android. This is the exact same shyt Microsoft had to do with with Windows Phone 8/RT
Tizen makes stealth pitch to Samsung's Android acolytes
The operating system popped up in various places during Samsung's developer conference, including with cash incentives for app makers.
by Shara Tibken October 30, 2013 4:00 AM PDT
SAN FRANCISCO -- Android may have dominated Samsung's developer conference, but that sure didn't stop Tizen from making its quiet pitch.
Samsung hosted it first conference for app makers on Monday and Tuesday in San Francisco. The vast majority of sessions and talks focused on Android-based devices, but Tizen, the open-source operating system being developed by Samsung and Intel, made its own low-key appearance.
That presence wasn't through a high number of presentations or speeches by Samsung -- or really any public mention by the Korean electronics giant at all. Rather, Tizen popped up in discussions between developers, in pitches by Samsung partners, and in incentives offered to app makers. The operating system crept into many aspects of Samsung's show even as the company pushed developers to make Android apps unique to its devices.
"The whole conference has got to be seen in the context of Tizen," Ovum analyst Jan Dawson said. "Samsung is proving it's good at working with developers so they'll transition to Tizen when the time comes."
Samsung is the world's biggest Android device maker by a wide margin, but it has been developing Tizen as an alternative to Google's operating system for quite some time. Tizen gives Samsung more control over its own future, allowing it to rely less on Google and more on its homegrown software. That becomes increasingly important as Google puts more emphasis on its Motorola business and as Samsung tries to set itself apart from all the other handset makers in the market.
Development for Tizen hasn't been particularly smooth. CNET learned in July that Samsung delayed its Tizen phone release by several months to the fourth quarter of this year. Now, it appears that delay could be even longer, with one of Samsung's partners telling CNET that the latest plans are for a launch in January at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. However, that date could change again. Samsung, meanwhile, hasn't publicly provided any recent updates about its first Tizen phone release. It declined to comment about timing for this report.
Tizen's delay has partially been due to app store issues. The group behind the OS has been working feverishly to garner developer support, holding hackathons and other events in recent months. The next such event will be the Tizen Developer Summit in Seoul, South Korea, in mid-November. But even then, the upstart OS is sure to be well behind other new operating systems competing for developer attention.
Even though Samsung's developer conference predominantly focused on Android, it gave Samsung and its partners a platform to tout Tizen's benefits and convince developers to jump on board.
Most app makers that CNET met at the conference said that Samsung or Intel has talked to them about Tizen at some point and that they were interested in learning more about the operating system. However, most of them appear to be taking a "wait and see" approach, preferring instead to devote their limited resources to iOS, Android, or even Samsung's special flavor of Android. That's true even for huge companies that have more developers.
"We're not looking at [Tizen] right now," said Adam Stein, senior director of mobile marketing for enterprise software giant SAP. SAP makes its own apps but also builds apps for various business customers. "The major enterprises are only interested in three or four operating systems at most."
That's something Samsung and Intel realize and will have to overcome. If there's one thing they've learned from BlackBerry and Microsoft, it's that apps matter. A lot. If popular titles don't work on a particular operating system, it's tough for that OS to gain much traction with users. One way Samsung and Intel are trying to attract developers to Tizen is by shifting the focus to HTML5 and away from native apps, partners say.
HTML5 first
HTML5, unlike other codes used for the development of apps, is a Web-based standard, so sophisticated programs can be run using a browser, rather than as a native program on the phone. The major advantage is that, in theory, a developer can build one HTML5 app and have it run on any phone with a good browser. That also means the app isn't stuck in just one platform such as iOS or Android.
"What Samsung is announcing with Tizen is 'HTML5 first' as the means of developing an application," said Abraham Elias, chief technical officer of Sencha, a company that provides tools for building Web applications. "That allows them to get the reach of developers who are already building on HTML5."
Sencha is working with developers and Samsung to ensure HTML5 apps work the best they can on Tizen, and Sencha also is helping Samsung develop a "world class and second-to-none" browser for the new operating system, Elias said.
Meanwhile, Alexis Menard and Kenneth Christiansen, two software engineers at Intel, noted during their presentation at the conference's only panel on Tizen, held Tuesday, that the operating system has various benefits for developers. That includes a "responsive design" that allows the OS to span various screen sizes and APIs for features like the battery.
The panel started out with a sparse crowd, but the room filled up by the end of the session, with about 40 people in attendance. Still, that number lags the attendance at panels for smart TVs and Samsung's Knox security software where it was standing room only.
Money money money
As many OS makers have come to realize, just touting the benefits of their software isn't enough. For developers, what can really make a difference is funding.
Marmalade, a company that provides tools to port games and apps from one platform to others, announced during the conference that it will offer any developers who agree to make a Tizen app with its technology a free Tizen phone, a free Marmalade license, and up to $1,000 in "additional prizes." It's launching the program as part of a partnership with Samsung.
Nick Lambert, a marketing associate at Marmalade, said he signed up about 10 developers to Tizen on Monday and about 20 on Tuesday. In comparison, Samsung said about 1,300 developers attended its conference. Of course, many others could be working directly with Samsung or Intel or collaborating with another partner. But it sure doesn't indicate that interest is widespread.
AppBackr is doing something similar, paying developers with funds from Intel. It works with companies like Marmalade and Appgyver to attract app makers, and its cash incentives range from about $10 to more than $10,000, depending on the importance and AppBackr ranking of the app.
"We pay out [the funds] when an app gets verified on the Tizen store," said Sarah Cornwell, director of marketing at AppBackr. "It happens pretty fast now, within about 24 hours."
But not even cash is enough in some situations. A big drawback for developers is that Tizen won't be offered in the US, at least not at first. And there's also a lot of confusion about the platform. Samsung has said it will release Tizen as the operating system for a high-end phone, but many developers believe the software will be geared at cheap, mass-market smartphones. That disconnect doesn't help the Tizen group's efforts.
Han-Shen Yuan, senior director of engineering for new ventures and innovation at eBay, said his company is "currently evaluating" making a Tizen app because it believes the operating system could be popular in emerging markets. He added that even if Samsung first pushes the software for high-end devices, eBay still is interested as the focus likely will change over time.
"Tizen is interesting to us because if it's going to reach a large penetration from a mobile perspective, we want to be on a 'everyman phone,'" Yuan told CNET. "Part of our discussions is really looking at how this expansion is going to occur."
For Samsung's first Tizen phone to succeed, it better hope many more developers get interested pretty quick.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57609942-94/tizen-makes-stealth-pitch-to-samsungs-android-acolytes/
at Samsung trying to sneak Tizen into the conference, like anybody give a fukk. They have to pay developers to make apps for Tizen. They have to push HTML5/web apps on Tizen to interest developers. So we already know that apps on Tizen will run worse than on iOS & Android. This is the exact same shyt Microsoft had to do with with Windows Phone 8/RT
because Samsung is making Tizen.
so your logic is Samsung can fall back on a failure they really aren't trying to do anything with? they're inventing this for a hypothetical worst case scenario? i beg to differ. In a perfect world Samsung's Tizen in their eyes would overtake Android and they'd tell Google to shove it up their ass cause they no longer need them.
The problem is there is no problem. When Google launched Android people wanted an iPhone like device on networks other than AT&T and when Apple launched the iPhone people wanted to merge an iPod and a phone. the problem Tizen addresses isn't a consumer or marketplace problem its a Samsung problem. they built a brand on someone else's platform. the market and consumers don't want or need an iOS / Android alternative. its never gonna take off unless Samsung does a hail mary.
but the user base is already there for samsung. you adjust touchwiz to mimic tizen to make the transition easier when the day comes.
Google Plus is a good example of tweaking facebook simply because they have a user base and the end goal is simply getting people to use it forreal, which will happen over time. Google Plus wasn't needed....but it won't be denied.
the same Google Plus they're trying to force people to use via Youtube?
Like I said if Samsung bootstraps Tizen to their Galaxy brand they can get it off the ground. It will damage the Galaxy brand but I honestly believe the brand would survive.
Its like how Sony strapped Blu-Ray to the PS3 and damaged the Playstation brand but it survived and now all game consoles have Blu-Ray drives and its the format of choice for movies. A generation later the Playstation 4 is also poised to be the top video game console.
People may think that's insane but if Samsung takes no risk then Tizen isn't even worth bothering with because if they put it out there on a new brand consumers will just ignore it.
if you really want to comment you can sign up for google plus if ya don't already have it.
But simply having a gmail account which has been cool since like 2005 and then adding chat paved the way for the social network. If you can chat why not have a new age social profile? Buddy info for AIM was on the way out so google went with the social network page.
Also, Facebook was the reason that I stopped using AIM by 2009/2010 and I was using AIM since 99 when I was in middle school and everyone had AOL when i switched schools and it cut down on awkward silence. I was used to being on the phone....then it became all about buddy list Unless ya were out in the street and used cell phone or text....but in the crib definitely AIM all day.
I don't see why people are so upset at YouTube wanting google play or something like that...if your going to post a comment on a YouTube page use your real name...I guess some rather hide behind the screen....I think that should be mandatory on something like that and amazon comments.
You can make fake google plus accounts with fake names. People are upset cause nobody gives a damn about google plus and they're being forced to make an account for an unwanted service.