Scarface says rap is "sounding stupider and stupider"

[OnlyInCalifornia]

nah, it was Puff that done that businessman shyt and ushered on the million dollar music video bullshyt mixed in the Tupac shyt. Only in the mid 00s, the southern snares and 808s made everything go to shyt for several years. In the last couple of years, we are climbing out of that rut.

Puff ushered in the flashy but he wasn't the businessman/rapper that Jay-z was. To me it was Jay-z who really influenced all the rappers to be like that more than Puffy who I never considered a rapper, ever. Just like I don't consider Dr Dre a 'rapper'

 

[MartyMcFly]

Puff ushered in the flashy but he wasn't the businessman/rapper that Jay-z was. To me it was Jay-z who really influenced all the rappers to be like that more than Puffy who I never considered a rapper, ever. Just like I don't consider Dr Dre a 'rapper'

I hate to say it but I feel like Jay is the guy who can shoulder a lot of the blame, just like you are saying. He's the guy who started this whole "I'm not a rapper, I'm a hustler" mantra that was prevalent in the early to mid 2000s and obviously still strong today. It was the guy who claimed not to love the music and was just using it as an avenue to get rich, constantly hitting the public with new product ever year as opposed to taking a year or two off to let it marinate and let the public fully absorb what they just got. I remember reading an article around either 06 or 07 where he talked about just now really having a love for the music and not just seeing it as a means to an end. As dope as he was and sometimes still is, Jay definitely treated the game and the music like it was disposable or at least that was part of his persona

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

I hate to say it but I feel like Jay is the guy who can shoulder a lot of the blame, just like you are saying. He's the guy who started this whole "I'm not a rapper, I'm a hustler" mantra that was prevalent in the early to mid 2000s and obviously still strong today. It was the guy who claimed not to love the music and was just using it as an avenue to get rich, constantly hitting the public with new product ever year as opposed to taking a year or two off to let it marinate and let the public fully absorb what they just got. I remember reading an article around either 06 or 07 where he talked about just now really having a love for the music and not just seeing it as a means to an end. As dope as he was and sometimes still is, Jay definitely treated the game and the music like it was disposable or at least that was part of his persona

Yup and it's exactly why I like Jay-z....but everyone else is trying to be Jay-z and it just isn't the same. They are not as talented or good at the business side as he is. Yet everyone emulates him or tries to. I don't know how much you blame Jay-z. He is just being himself. What other people try to do isn't always his fault ya know>

 

[MartyMcFly]

Yup and it's exactly why I like Jay-z....but everyone else is trying to be Jay-z and it just isn't the same. They are not as talented or good at the business side as he is. Yet everyone emulates him or tries to. I don't know how much you blame Jay-z. He is just being himself. What other people try to do isn't always his fault ya know>

Word, you're right. He did what worked for him, it's not his fault everyone else played follow the leader instead of having their own stones to do it their way.

 

[Scientific]

so in order for rap to be good right now it gotta be have stars?
plenty of non-star rappers putting out good music. sorry they not stars for people to recognize they work

I think its a bit clear who's young and who's not as young seeing what some people mean.Even a 5-7 year gap distinguishes people's taste.

My era was the late 90s to mid 00s, with the Southern explosion. Even with all that, there was room for all those guys from Aftermath. Dipset and other NY rappers. And then you still had Nelly, Chingy, and Fab if that was your thing. You would still catch Dilated Peoples or Slum Village drop a hit.

It wasn't about having stars. It was about each having a unique quality that got them there, whether you felt it or not. Since I grew up in TX, and always heard the criticism about what was happening, looking back i took for granted how nice a time it was. I didn't like everything that dropped, but it was the last time everyone made their own lane, and had their own thing.

 

[DaHNIC82]

I'm not buying the it was worst then now argument. Yes Many "Gangsta rappers" had violent songs. But for every song about killing someone, You had a song like Face's Now I Feel ya" Tupac's Keep Ya Head Up" Willie D's "F*ck Rodney King(Calling out scared negroes) Dre and Snoop's "Lil Ghetto Boy" or Cube's Black Korea. KRS had Black Cop, The list goes on. They had songs going at the establishment alongside with the commentary on the street life they were living. Where are those type of songs from many of today's cats within the mainstream?

Scarface even had Hand on a Dead Body calling out Racism, hypocrisy and Cube name dropping Khalid Muhammad. Wheres a track like that from today's rappers?

 

[keond]

Rap is getting dumber by the second. Its almost totally devoid of any substance. The hottest song out there is "my nikka"

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

No matter how good the music is there's always people that are gonna complain. We look back on the 90's as the golden age and even then you still had a lotta nikkas bytchin about what was on the radio.

15 years from now the shyt we complain about now is gonna be looked back on as the real shyt. When street rap takes over again and every other rapper is on that hardcore shyt you're gonna have nikkas like, "Hey how come no one raps about havin a good time anymore!?!? Why all these rappers gotta be depressed and shyt?!?!? Whatever happened to ballin the fukk out and gettin drunk wit a bytch at the club!?!? Weezy was better than all these rappers."

I've seen it myself. When I first started posting on hip hop forums everyone hated 50 Cent cause he was runnin the rap game and he was all over the radio and now the average forum user props up his music from that same time period like it's classic material. Everyone online hated GRODT but now it's loved across the board.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

I'm not buying the it was worst then now argument. Yes Many "Gangsta rappers" had violent songs. But for every song about killing someone, You had a song like Face's Now I Feel ya" Tupac's Keep Ya Head Up" Willie D's "F*ck Rodney King(Calling out scared negroes) Dre and Snoop's "Lil Ghetto Boy" or Cube's Black Korea. KRS had Black Cop, The list goes on. They had songs going at the establishment alongside with the commentary on the street life they were living. Where are those type of songs from many of today's cats within the mainstream?

Scarface even had Hand on a Dead Body calling out Racism, hypocrisy and Cube name dropping Khalid Muhammad. Wheres a track like that from today's rappers?

@ lil ghetto boy being considered 'conscious'. struggle 'real' song on an album littered with cartoon violence.

Keep ya head up: classic, no complaints

Black korea + Khalid Muhhamed: ignorant unproductive bullshyt

Rodney K: not a successful single or a song on a succesful album.

Black cop: see above

The equivalent to the last two examples would be plies 100 years or why you hate me, we just had GKMC which is far realer & productive than any of that fake militant gangsta rap albums that were popular in the early 90's, Kanye just put out New Slaves addressing racism & the prison industrial complex in a far realer way than dre & snoop ever have, in their entire careers, and i hate Kanye pseudo rebel ass. J cole & Wale got their conscious side when they aint making female power ballads, i could go on & none of this shyt is hard to find either

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

Scarface has never lied once in his criticisms of hip-hop and hip-hop culture.

Rap and Urban Culture is so goddamn idiotic sometimes I feel it's apart of a complicit plot to keep black and brown people stupid, poor, and in the ghetto.

 

[BlackMajik]

He right

 

[Wild self]

No matter how good the music is there's always people that are gonna complain. We look back on the 90's as the golden age and even then you still had a lotta nikkas bytchin about what was on the radio.

15 years from now the shyt we complain about now is gonna be looked back on as the real shyt. When street rap takes over again and every other rapper is on that hardcore shyt you're gonna have nikkas like, "Hey how come no one raps about havin a good time anymore!?!? Why all these rappers gotta be depressed and shyt?!?!? Whatever happened to ballin the fukk out and gettin drunk wit a bytch at the club!?!? Weezy was better than all these rappers."

I've seen it myself. When I first started posting on hip hop forums everyone hated 50 Cent cause he was runnin the rap game and he was all over the radio and now the average forum user props up his music from that same time period like it's classic material. Everyone online hated GRODT but now it's loved across the board.

Gangsta rap is dead because of social media and the lifestyle that has no benefits in it. On top of not having another crack epidemic.

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

So no one is going say what's real?

Scarface is straight up c00nING.

How are you going to publicly diss what made your life what it is and big up country music in the public.
I never call anyone c00n. Happy I could use the word on "SCARFACE"

@2Quik4UHoes I found you one

Scarface is the absolute last man you should be calling a c00n breh.

So, because he actually cares about the culture and artistry of black Americans from being a participant and has seen it's decline and he's a c00n and an old man who needs to sit down and take his medicine? I guess any older black person who's seen the state of black America shift radically from the 60s to now who is concerned and wants change is some c00n by the same logic.

Negged...

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

The argument is still the same. Old heads are upset that Hip Hop wasn't like it was in the 90s. Everyone is 'ballin too much' but the same arguement in the 90s that everyone was 'too gangsta' Even though that wasn't the truth and there were tons of NON-gangsta rappers to go around.

There are plenty of artists not in the mainstream who are not trying to 'turn up' or pop bottles. There are plenty of MCs who are making all kinds of raps from pop cris to murder murder murder to shyt about their children. If you only listen to mainstream Hip Hop, don't bother finding MCs that have different content, then sure.

How many radio records aren't about bishes dancing or money?

 

[NvrCMyNut]

Gangsta rap is dead because of social media and the lifestyle that has no benefits in it. On top of not having another crack epidemic.

gangsta rap is not dead. stop trying to push your suburban values & cultural preferences on this urban culture you dweeb