School re-opening discussion

[MeachTheMonster]

You people who think it’s even fathomable to keep society locked up and the economy shut down for years while waiting on a vaccine are also why this crisis is escalating. Y’all don’t want to work toward a path forward, instead you prefer to lump people who want a middle path in with those who are full on fukk masks/let’s party at the club/open my mega church/I’m ready to attend muh football gamez

Other countries didn’t have to shut down for years.

If we had done it right we wouldn’t be having all these cases right now.

America is dumb as fukk and never did a real lock down or proper testing/tracing.

Economy is fukked either way. Why do so many Americans have to die?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Other countries didn’t have to shut down for years.

If we had done it right we wouldn’t be having all these cases right now.

America is dumb as fukk and never did a real lock down or proper testing/tracing.

Economy is fukked either way. Why do so many Americans have to die?

California took shutting down very seriously, we’re not even fully open in the bay, some counties like mine barley half open, and we’re still seeing spikes. China saw spikes in areas after reopening as well and we know they have way more centralized control. the reality is yes, we’d have to pretty much be closed until a vaccine happens to eliminate spikes and truly slow spread, and that’s not realistic. Even with a vaccine, the combination of our shytty healthcare system! meaning many won’t even be able to afford the vaccine, and our large anti-vaxxer population means we’ll still be circulating this for awhile.

 

[88m3]

No, some of y’all need to check your privilege. I live in a very underserved school district, these kids both don’t have the tech, home atmosphere nor parental guidance and help to allow them to successfully engage in distance/online learning. But sure, let’s act like the experience of every two parent home, middle/upper middle class kid successfully navigating online learning is the experience of low income inner city and rural kids

Wow, this really is so far off base. You're saying this to me after your whole tirade about what are school buses?

lmao, sorry, I don't want my mom or wife if she teaches next year to die. We've had numerous deaths in our schools here because they were kept open as long as they were and that was before the deaths became high. Primary school teachers are by demographic high risk for dying from Covid.

I'll see what I can do about checking my "privilege" on that one.

The irony also wasn't lost on my when I thought about my mother teaching in the West Indies and NYC the last 30+ years.


From an economic standpoint and educational standpoint it's probably more effective to teach from home and provide additional social services/resources.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Wow, this really is so far off base. You're saying this to me after your whole tirade about what are school buses?

lmao, sorry, I don't want my mom or wife if she teaches next year to die. We've had numerous deaths in our schools here because they were kept open as long as they were and that was before the deaths became high. Primary school teachers are by demographic high risk for dying from Covid.

I'll see what I can do about checking my "privilege" on that one.

The irony also wasn't lost on my when I thought about my mother teaching in the West Indies and NYC the last 30+ years.


From an economic standpoint and educational standpoint it's probably more effective to teach from home and provide additional social services/resources.

Lol @ asking why school buses are big in other parts of the country being tirade asking “what are school buses”...you can’t be serious right now

ignoring your attempt to make a completely unrelated topic, that you more than twisted, an example of “privilege”. I completely get the concern for teachers, more so those who are high risk whom I don’t think should be in class. that said, if a McDonald’s worker is considered essential and shows up for work, certainly our teachers are more deserving of the essential label and should be teaching in person where possible. I’m not going to propose to have all the answers for how you set up classrooms, but if grocery store workers can service hundreds of different people daily, healthy younger teachers can service their same 30 - 120 students.

 

[88m3]

Lol @ asking why school buses are big in other parts of the country being tirade asking “what are school buses”...you can’t be serious right now

ignoring your attempt to make a completely unrelated topic, that you more than twisted, an example of “privilege”. I completely get the concern for teachers, more so those who are high risk whom I don’t think should be in class. that said, if a McDonald’s worker is considered essential and shows up for work, certainly our teachers are more deserving of the essential label and should be teaching in person where possible. I’m not going to propose to have all the answers for how you set up classrooms, but if grocery store workers can service hundreds of different people daily, healthy younger teachers can service their same 30 - 120 students.

You're not very coherent right now but it's late. Goodnight.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

You're not very coherent right now but it's late. Goodnight.

Nothing incoherent about that post, teachers should be classified as essential workers, their work is better done in person, if they aren’t high risk, they should be in the classroom. But I get it, everyone wants to sidestep that label when it hits too close to home

 

[88m3]

Nothing incoherent about that post, teachers should be classified as essential workers, their work is better done in person, if they aren’t high risk, they should be in the classroom. But I get it, everyone wants to sidestep that label when it hits too close to home

It's just like a grocery store. You've made your argument. Nothing you're saying is supported by data. It's clearly your own selfish self interest that's really at stake here and your own inability to take responsibility.

You want to go back to your own privileged life, career, and "what are school buses" and etc.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

California took shutting down very seriously, we’re not even fully open in the bay, some counties like mine barley half open, and we’re still seeing spikes. China saw spikes in areas after reopening as well and we know they have way more centralized control. the reality is yes, we’d have to pretty much be closed until a vaccine happens to eliminate spikes and truly slow spread, and that’s not realistic. Even with a vaccine, the combination of our shytty healthcare system! meaning many won’t even be able to afford the vaccine, and our large anti-vaxxer population means we’ll still be circulating this for awhile.

Individual localities deciding when/how/if to lockdown isn’t a true lockdown.

What we currently have is not “spikes” they are full blown outbreaks is cities/states where lockdowns and mask order were not taken seriously. Places that were on lockdown opened back up while cases were still on the rise.

We need a full countrywide lockdown for a couple weeks, and then a strict social distancing and mask wearing order. Would probably only take a good month or two total, then we’d be in the position to open back up and do testing a contact tracing to address small spikes around the country.

But we won’t make it there cause America is stupid from the top leaders, down to the everyday citizen. So we will just watch people die and pretended there’s nothing we can do about it.

This is an indictment on how selfish, and ignorant American culture is

 

[the cac mamba]

 

[Yapdatfool]

So at the school I work at (in Milwaukee WI) the pres of our agency released a statement:

As countries around the world reopen their schools, they are finding that children are unlikely to get sick from the coronavirus and that schools do not seem to be places where the virus quickly spreads.

1. I don't buy this train of thought for a second
2. The pivot to reopen all the classrooms in our agency is real

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

It's just like a grocery store. You've made your argument. Nothing you're saying is supported by data. It's clearly your own selfish self interest that's really at stake here and your own inability to take responsibility.

You want to go back to your own privileged life, career, and "what are school buses" and etc.

You’re trying so hard and failing here...especially when you clearly showed you’re driven by a selfish motivation of not wanting your wife in class...like I said, easy to call other occupations “essential” but when it hits home, it’s


As for data, tons of articles about kids falling behind, early childhood education and development not being effective online, etc

Research Shows Students Falling Months Behind During Virus Disruptions


And again - no where did I ask what school buses are, lol @ saying walking to school and public trans being how we got to school being privilege. Please stop

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Individual localities deciding when/how/if to lockdown isn’t a true lockdown.

What we currently have is not “spikes” they are full blown outbreaks is cities/states where lockdowns and mask order were not taken seriously. Places that were on lockdown opened back up while cases were still on the rise.

We need a full countrywide lockdown for a couple weeks, and then a strict social distancing and mask wearing order. Would probably only take a good month or two total, then we’d be in the position to open back up and do testing a contact tracing to address small spikes around the country.

But we won’t make it there cause America is stupid from the top leaders, down to the everyday citizen. So we will just watch people die and pretended there’s nothing we can do about it.

This is an indictment on how selfish, and ignorant American culture is

California, especially the bay, did all that, again, everything isn’t even open here like it is in SoCal, GA, FL, TX etc. sure the inconsistency across the country doesn’t help, but these spikes are mainly from local populations.

y’all can keep asking for a uniform response to this, inclusive of an all 50 state hard core lockdown, but that’s not happening (again) in the US short of full scale military deployment. Some states will probably close this fall depending on how this shakes out, but it’s more a time to convince everyone of the secondary set of protocols needed

 

[Loose]

As a parent its not worth it if they offer online classes thats what my son will be doing

 

[ogc163]

Shut the schools down, even if the economic and convenience impact is substantial. The potential negative consequences of opening up are substantial, the exponential growth that will occur even with a middle of the road program is too risky. While I feel bad for Black poor kids who will be impacted the most, the short term loss is necessary to achieve long term benefits. Thus, the losses have to be placed in their proper context and its important to acknowledge institutional constraints.

Other nations who were successful shut things down in a swift and comprehensive manner. Whereas the US has had a wide range of policies, with no clarity coming from the federal government. And this has lead to different outcomes across the country, the differencea based primarily on the decision making of specific governors. And so, I'm not persuaded that we have attempted or copied the best practices from around the world. Initially that can somewhat be excused because of confusion regarding best practices, but that is no longer the case as we now have a decent idea of what practices are necessary to fight this pandemic.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Shut the schools down, even if the economic and convenience impact is substantial. The potential negative consequences of opening up are substantial, the exponential growth that will occur even with a middle of the road program is too risky. While I feel bad for Black poor kids who will be impacted the most, the short term loss is necessary to achieve long term benefits. Thus, the losses have to be placed in their proper context and its important to acknowledge institutional constraints.

Other nations who were successful shut things down in a swift and comprehensive manner. Whereas the US has had a wide range of policies, with no clarity coming from the federal government. And this has lead to different outcomes across the country, the differencea based primarily on the decision making of specific governors. And so, I'm not persuaded that we have attempted or copied the best practices from around the world. Initially that can somewhat be excused because of confusion regarding best practices, but that is no longer the case as we now have a decent idea of what practices are necessary to fight this pandemic.

For elementary schools kids, especially black kids who are/were already behind, falling further behind isn’t a short term loss, it’s something that will set them back their entire lives. I’m not going to argue you on how you feel, but it’s shortsighted to bucket this as a short term loss, both for the individual kids and the black community as a whole.