School re-opening discussion
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Im like why not all distance learning and keep the exact same schedule as if you were live in the the classroom.
If you got math at 8am in school then got on that zoom and have math at 8am
The problem here in texas is the teachers just threw all the work out there and parents like me with kids in 1st and kindergarten became the teacher
This was lazy and an abomination by the teachers and they know it.
I had to take it all the way up to the superintendent of the district. Now they suppose to have the exact same in classroom model virtually come fall.
at all this talk about a new normal. The reason we're in this mess in the first place is because people have been fighting that very thing. School is going to be a mess and even less learning will take place than before.
The only reason we're making these arguments is because public schools primary function has shifted into child care first.
The only reason....
School is going to be a mess and even less learning will take place than before.
The only reason we're making these arguments is because public schools primary function has shifted into child care first.
Everything is so simple when you have your partisan glasses on.
Funny, you’ve always been pro-public education when topics like, say, charter schools come up. I wonder why that is????
excellent thread, going to copy n paste my comment from the main thread and add some thoughts:
people going back to work went to shyt, now they want to sacrifice people that work at schools. couple of things
- most schools weren't ready to CLOSE when all of this popped off in the spring, it was clunky mess sending kids home/ giving them work to do, most just got passed
- schools like most work location are HORRIBLE for social distancing, most schools in america are over crowed especially in guess what areas? (urban)
- kids dont respect teachers any more, yea i said it, you cant get these kids to put down there cellphones for 5 min IN CLASS , good luck getting them wear mask all day
- most schools are understaffed, and its only going to get worse, fun fact. in most districts the majority of substitute teachers are former retired teachers, good luck now getting those older folks to show to schools with all the above info. To continue with this narrative you are going to have a bunch of teachers who are close to retirement but maybe were going to choose not to retire, retire early now.
- any plan that i have seen or hear of has been laughable, they make promises of lower class #s and or rotating schedules for kids, not going to happen, that is super disruptive for kids with short attention spans + the technology just isn't there . Schools have been
for years with these chromebooks they hand out to kids, that model cant be sustained on a large scale for a full year of work
i could go on and on , so many factors to consider with all the people it takes to run a school and yea thank god kids may not get sick from this, but everyone it takes to actually keep a school running.
*also*
From a medical standpoint will still dont understand the effects of this virus on children, do they transmit it more easily etc? Which is what worries me the most these kids are going back home to adults a lot of them elderly who we do for a fact know are in at high risk category, i voted for the hybrid option in the pole but yea still way too many unknown factors and another broken american system we are expecting too much of
people going back to work went to shyt, now they want to sacrifice people that work at schools. couple of things
- most schools weren't ready to CLOSE when all of this popped off in the spring, it was clunky mess sending kids home/ giving them work to do, most just got passed
- schools like most work location are HORRIBLE for social distancing, most schools in america are over crowed especially in guess what areas? (urban)
- kids dont respect teachers any more, yea i said it, you cant get these kids to put down there cellphones for 5 min IN CLASS , good luck getting them wear mask all day
- most schools are understaffed, and its only going to get worse, fun fact. in most districts the majority of substitute teachers are former retired teachers, good luck now getting those older folks to show to schools with all the above info. To continue with this narrative you are going to have a bunch of teachers who are close to retirement but maybe were going to choose not to retire, retire early now.
- any plan that i have seen or hear of has been laughable, they make promises of lower class #s and or rotating schedules for kids, not going to happen, that is super disruptive for kids with short attention spans + the technology just isn't there . Schools have been
for years with these chromebooks they hand out to kids, that model cant be sustained on a large scale for a full year of worki could go on and on , so many factors to consider with all the people it takes to run a school and yea thank god kids may not get sick from this, but everyone it takes to actually keep a school running.
*also*
From a medical standpoint will still dont understand the effects of this virus on children, do they transmit it more easily etc? Which is what worries me the most these kids are going back home to adults a lot of them elderly who we do for a fact know are in at high risk category, i voted for the hybrid option in the pole but yea still way too many unknown factors and another broken american system we are expecting too much of
i think this is pretty logical and reasonable as some states started to do this. I think the issue we have is those who dont want to wear a mask and also after listening to the NYT daily, WHO is saying (which weve all on here speculated) is the aerosol from those who have it linger indoors MUCH longer than outdoors which is why we have seen these spikes related to indoor actives (bars/restaurants etc.). so we have to figure out at what capacity is it easy to for these places to have air recycled without infecting everyone in the bytch (this happened to my freinds nephew and now his 2 year old has it as well) and i agree everythign else liek retail gym offices will ahve to be used at peoples discretion as long as they are masked. i think we cant stress the mask part enough, especially as we head into the indoor months which may be the cause of the second wave. Im not gonna sit here and lie i have gotten together with about 6 people since may. but we all agreed to keep common sense (to keep our circle of people small and not go to any crowded public places we dont need to be on top of only gathering outside and still social distancing). but we also said this wont be possible in fall/winter if/when this is still around.
some peoples schools here at least in the city are more spread out. so i can live in one side of the city and go to a school on the other for their magnet program or w.e program so because of that and because pittsburgh is not walkable and we have shyt public transit( public buses mostly) pretty much 90% of the kids catch either a yellow bus or public bus. now its interesting because the people i know who grew up in teh suburbs alot of them were dropped off at school. that number is much lower. i will say i do think there should be a work around if they still want kids there but there is alot of work to ensure teh safety of staff and kids. we are starting to see more cases with kids catching covid.
re: negativity. i do feel like some of our realism on the coli does push the pessimism line. i will say im sure some some people have a desire for things to be worse but i feel like its a very small percentage. but the subject matter we are discussing is dark and its hard to have a light outlook on it when none of our leadership has shown the competence to truly make those who are realist feel like hey there is light at the end of the tunnel. i can only speak for myself right now and to me idk it just is what it is. i cant go anywhere thats fine for now as long as i stay safe. i love to travel but i also know it doesnt make any damn sense to at the moment. but like you said we have to establish a new normal even if its temporary (1-2 years).
i just realized i typed alot. but all i have to really say is there is alot to figure out with covid and leaders arent really showing we are heading in the right direction in the states.
excellent thread, going to copy n paste my comment from the main thread and add some thoughts:
people going back to work went to shyt, now they want to sacrifice people that work at schools. couple of things
- most schools weren't ready to CLOSE when all of this popped off in the spring, it was clunky mess sending kids home/ giving them work to do, most just got passed
- schools like most work location are HORRIBLE for social distancing, most schools in america are over crowed especially in guess what areas? (urban)
- kids dont respect teachers any more, yea i said it, you cant get these kids to put down there cellphones for 5 min IN CLASS , good luck getting them wear mask all day
- most schools are understaffed, and its only going to get worse, fun fact. in most districts the majority of substitute teachers are former retired teachers, good luck now getting those older folks to show to schools with all the above info. To continue with this narrative you are going to have a bunch of teachers who are close to retirement but maybe were going to choose not to retire, retire early now.
- any plan that i have seen or hear of has been laughable, they make promises of lower class #s and or rotating schedules for kids, not going to happen, that is super disruptive for kids with short attention spans + the technology just isn't there . Schools have been
i could go on and on , so many factors to consider with all the people it takes to run a school and yea thank god kids may not get sick from this, but everyone it takes to actually keep a school running.
*also*
From a medical standpoint will still dont understand the effects of this virus on children, do they transmit it more easily etc? Which is what worries me the most these kids are going back home to adults a lot of them elderly who we do for a fact know are in at high risk category, i voted for the hybrid option in the pole but yea still way too many unknown factors and another broken american system we are expecting too much of
I agree with this all 100%
imagine trying to get some of these kids in 2020 to keep their mask on all day.
i also voted the hybrid option becuase if they fell the need to have kids there they truly cant all be there at the same time becuase as you said we dont know the immediate risk of kids and/or more importantly the long term effect on kids when they get it.
then you have at risk teachers who some districts are just telling them to retire (which if they did how are they going to replace them right before the school year starts with someone they know isnt at risk)and there is no way some of these unions are going to tolerate a policy of "if you get sick you'll have to use your PTO" them being out sick may suck up their PTO and more.
and if it is all online learning. i think one thing that is being overlooked is alot of these teachers SUUUCK at using techonology let alone trying to figure out how to come up with a virtual lesson plan which they were never taught. and we havent even gotten to every student having the resources to do this transition smoothly (ie hardware and internet acces) and if this is the case alot of poor and black students will be left out in teh cold in terms of actually acquiring the knowledge they need to climb the bullshyt class later.
there is alot of shyt to figure out. i truly dont know what the right answer is. but this might change the landscape of education forever. And when we get to higher education oh boy that institution is may get got the worst (which im okay with because fukk them) but thats a different thread.
The "new normal" is exactly why this crisis is escalating in the US. You and too many others just gave up and decided, fukk it, people are gonna croak and/or have lifelong conditions as a result of contracting COVID but we need to move on.
School's opening shouldn't even be an option. Adults in this country can't follow medical guidelines and people expect kids aged 5-18 to? Utterly laughable. It's just gonna become a petri dish for infections just like a trump rally and they'll be closing down shortly after opening.
This is an embarrassing country to live in right now.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
You people who think it’s even fathomable to keep society locked up and the economy shut down for years while waiting on a vaccine are also why this crisis is escalating. Y’all don’t want to work toward a path forward, instead you prefer to lump people who want a middle path in with those who are full on fukk masks/let’s party at the club/open my mega church/I’m ready to attend muh football gamez
This makes no sense and nothing about my post was anti public education nor partisan.
Most families can't afford full time child care for multiple kids for 40 hours a week.
Most businesses aren't going to adjust hours to help their kids with schooling.
From its inception public schooling in this country has operated around the economic realities that labor faces.
As for me, I could afford childcare or private school.
So for me the only option here is safety. And these proposals requiring to send small children back to school 5 days a week does not take safety into consideration.
But I'll let you get back to your circle jerk.
If we would have properly shut everything down the first time we wouldn't be in this mess. The only reasonable option is to shut everything down again but people like you get their panties in a bunch about it so we can't make any progress until there's a vaccine.
This country is selfish as fukk and that's why we've been by far the worst at handling this. Why we're basically shut off from the rest of the world because almost every country on earth is banning US travelers.
If we shut everything the fukk down right now across all 50 states we could be in a position to safely open schools in September or October.
What does any of this have to do with maintaining that school is a safe place for students to learn?