School re-opening discussion

[dora_da_destroyer]

What does any of this have to do with maintaining that school is a safe place for students to learn?

Pretty much everything, life has to move forward, cautiously, but move forward.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

If we would have properly shut everything down the first time we wouldn't be in this mess. The only reasonable option is to shut everything down again but people like you get their panties in a bunch about it so we can't make any progress until there's a vaccine.

This country is selfish as fukk and that's why we've been by far the worst at handling this. Why we're basically shut off from the rest of the world because almost every country on earth is banning US travelers.

If we shut everything the fukk down right now across all 50 states we could be in a position to safely open schools in September or October.

what are people like me? you’re making an argument that’s not even there...

 

[Shogun]

This makes no sense and nothing about my post was anti public education nor partisan.

Most families can't afford full time child care for multiple kids for 40 hours a week.

Most businesses aren't going to adjust hours to help their kids with schooling.

From its inception public schooling in this country has operated around the economic realities that labor faces.

As for me, I could afford childcare or private school.

So for me the only option here is safety. And these proposals requiring to send small children back to school 5 days a week does not take safety into consideration.


But I'll let you get back to your circle jerk.

Saying public education's primary purpose is child care isn't anti public education?
Whatever, dude.
As for your circle jerk comment...god forbid there's a thread in this forum without you and your crew littering it with derailing tweets, and smiley-intensive disrespectful bullshyt.

 

[phcitywarrior]

The "new normal" is exactly why this crisis is escalating in the US. You and too many others just gave up and decided, fukk it, people are gonna croak and/or have lifelong conditions as a result of contracting COVID but we need to move on.

Let me ask you something breh, because I had a similar convo with my sister's a few days ago.

What materially has changed about the composition of the virus since the start of the pandemic? Both from it's rate of infection to its mortality rate to treatment of the virus?

Nothing.

It's the same virus, same protocol to stop the spread and same treatment options (ventilators etc). The time to have done a full lockdown was back in January. Trump should have barred all incoming and outgoing flights to and from the US. However, that time has passed.

Right now leaders have to make hard choices. It's a balancing act of preserving people's livelihoods (their ability to go to work and provide for their families i.e. the economy) and saving lives (lockdowns). If you keep schools closed then you're impeding people's ability to work and provide for their families. School is a place of education but it also doubles as a daycare of sorts which allows parents to work. Not all people have the luxury of working from home and looking after their kids hence the middle ground of having hybrid classes (2 days in, 3 days out vice versa).

The truth of the matter is we still have to keep moving forward as a society and we'll have to make some hard choices to try and pursue the common good.

It's a rock and hard place type situation.

 

[Regular_P]

Let me ask you something breh, because I had a similar convo with my sister's a few days ago.

What materially has changed about the composition of the virus since the start of the pandemic? Both from it's rate of infection to its mortality rate to treatment of the virus?

Nothing.

It's the same virus, same protocol to stop the spread and same treatment options (ventilators etc). The time to have done a full lockdown was back in January. Trump should have barred all incoming and outgoing flights to and from the US. However, that time has passed.

Right now leaders have to make hard choices. It's a balancing act of preserving people's livelihoods (their ability to go to work and provide for their families i.e. the economy) and saving lives (lockdowns). If you keep schools closed then you're impeding people's ability to work and provide for their families. School is a place of education but it also doubles as a daycare of sorts which allows parents to work. Not all people have the luxury of working from home and looking after their kids hence the middle ground of having hybrid classes (2 days in, 3 days out vice versa).

The truth of the matter is we still have to keep moving forward as a society and we'll have to make some hard choices to try and pursue the common good.

It's a rock and hard place type situation.

The government's job is to look after its citizens. If another shutdown means another stimulus so people can survive, so be it. That's the simplest solution. Why is change frowned upon?

This is a once in a lifetime situation and it requires thinking outside the box and changing long established norms.

 

[phcitywarrior]

The government's job is to look after its citizens. If another shutdown means another stimulus so people can survive, so be it. That's the simplest solution. Why is change frowned upon?

This is a once in a lifetime situation and it requires thinking outside the box and changing long established norms.

But for how long? A vaccine isn't coming till at least 2021 in the best case scenario? I think another round of stimulus would be good, sure, but what happens once that runs out? Another round? Then after that, then what?

There still needs to be economic activity. The economic machine is how many of us make our bread.

 

[Regular_P]

But for how long? A vaccine isn't coming till at least 2021 in the best case scenario? I think another round of stimulus would be good, sure, but what happens once that runs out? Another round? Then after that, then what?

There still needs to be economic activity. The economic machine is how many of us make our bread.

Look, I'm not gonna go back and forth with you on your bad faith arguments so this is my last response. Plenty of countries are safely opening up right now or have been open because they took this virus seriously and took drastic measures to contain it.

Italy got absolutely hammered by COVID and they reported 276 cases today. Converted to our population, that'd be about 1,500. That is a manageable number to contain and do contact tracing. Instead, we have 70,000+ cases and growing daily.

One (of many) country took it seriously and mostly stopped the spread. One is still fighting reality and whining about the inconvenience it is causing. This country needs to grow the fukk up.

 

[phcitywarrior]

Look, I'm not gonna go back and forth with you on your bad faith arguments so this is my last response. Plenty of countries are safely opening up right now or have been open because they took this virus seriously and took drastic measures to contain it.

Italy got absolutely hammered by COVID and they reported 276 cases today. Converted to our population, that'd be about 1,500. That is a manageable number to contain and do contact tracing. Instead, we have 70,000+ cases and growing daily.

One (of many) country took it seriously and mostly stopped the spread. One is still fighting reality and whining about the inconvenience it is causing. This country needs to grow the fukk up.

But what are other countries doing? Isn't it masks and social distancing? That's what we're (at least I'm) advocating for. Masks and social distancing, alternate between in and out of class. That's it.

 

[Regular_P]

But what are other countries doing? Isn't it masks and social distancing? That's what we're (at least I'm) advocating for. Masks and social distancing, alternate between in and out of class. That's it.

We aren't doing it across all 50 states; they were doing it across theirs. Everybody is doing their own thing here.

People can move freely around in this country. Other countries actually imposed travel restrictions from within. That would NEVER happen here but it should. I definitely don't want anyone from Florida or Texas coming to my state.

 

[88m3]

Pretty much everything, life has to move forward, cautiously, but move forward.

Learning from home isn't moving forwards?

 

[Pressure]

Saying public education's primary purpose is child care isn't anti public education?
Whatever, dude.
As for your circle jerk comment...god forbid there's a thread in this forum without you and your crew littering it with derailing tweets, and smiley-intensive disrespectful bullshyt.

Key word: shifted. Obviously I'm being critical of this shift. You ready to have a conversation or just whine?

The only reason we're making these arguments is because public schools primary function has shifted into child care first.

 

[Pressure]

Pretty much everything, life has to move forward, cautiously, but move forward.

Even the top colleges are limiting on campus participation. Why wouldn't primary education?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Learning from home isn't moving forwards?

No, some of y’all need to check your privilege. I live in a very underserved school district, these kids both don’t have the tech, home atmosphere nor parental guidance and help to allow them to successfully engage in distance/online learning. But sure, let’s act like the experience of every two parent home, middle/upper middle class kid successfully navigating online learning is the experience of low income inner city and rural kids

 

[Shogun]

Key word: shifted. Obviously I'm being critical of this shift. You ready to have a conversation or just whine?

The vast majority of "conversations" I have with you, including this one, are a waste of both of our time.
This ones on me, though. My bad for quoting you.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Even the top colleges are limiting on campus participation. Why wouldn't primary education?

Two very different developmental groups, as well as college kids, even of meager means, having more control over finding access to the tools and environment they need to do online learning.