Seems like the all-star game will be USA vs team world edit “take out all the players that’s 35 years old out then you have a good game

[TheEgyptianConniption]

What are they gonna play 16 vs 8? Or give international players undeserving all star nods?
and why everyone keep bringing up the Thompsons? On top of them not being all star players yet from what I gather they were born in cali. Lived there then Florida then Atlanta before the nba? Is that how the international team is gonna get filled? Well his dad lived in Jamaica as a child he’s an international Player even tho he’s been a Us citizen his whole life, shyt like that?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Issue with this is how many "World" players would even qualify without reaching just to make them all-stars?

I mentioned in my post above that we'll have to wait and see if all these players will even be counted as All-Stars, or if this is just a game compiled with All-Stars and extra players.

The same problem would remain too with the U.S., where there'd be reaching to include certain players, especially since a good portion of the players picked last season were 35+ and/or injured. Regardless, of who's picked for either side, there's going to be controversy around the selections.

And the main crux of it is players don't seem to give a fukk about the game itself anyway, how does changing up the format (again) fix the issue of guys playing with 0 effort?

Unless there's some substantial monetary incentive, there's unlikely going to be any format that'll bring about a change in players treating it seriously. The only way to really change that is having players like Wemby and Giannis who set a trend that everyone else follows, and even then, with the current landscape of the league, it's hard to see that ever being a constant thing.

I think we just need to face facts and realize that the ASG as we once perceived it won't be the same anymore.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What are they gonna play 16 vs 8? Or give international players undeserving all star nods?
and why everyone keep bringing up the Thompsons? On top of them not being all star players yet from what I gather they were born in cali. Lived there then Florida then Atlanta before the nba? Is that how the international team is gonna get filled? Well his dad lived in Jamaica as a child he’s an international Player even tho he’s been a Us citizen his whole life, shyt like that?

They've expressed their desire to play for Jamaica, that's why they're being brought up. They haven't definitively decided yet.

 

[SchoolboyC]

These are not arbitrary standards.

The fact that you didn't know Sabonis plays for Lithuania on the international stage and has played for Team World during the ASG weekend speaks volumes. You then proceeded to bring up all these injured* players as if they'll even be there next season in that capacity only further emphasizes my point about you not really following the NBA like that.

Yes, our talent pool is certainly deeper, but the core of the issue would remain even without this format, where players are controversially named because folks don't think they're deserving enough.

And as great as Paolo, Devin and Haliburton are, to what benefit would they really be (the latter two, more specifically) in an ASG when there's Ant and Brunson too? It's the same dilemna we have with Team USA, where we have these great players who play the same positions and who aren't Tier-1 stars.

But can't that same logic also be applied to the U.S.?

If you remove Shai, Giannis, Wemby, Jokic, Luka, Pascal, Sengun, Amen*, etc from our All-Star pool, then you're essentially picking a squad of players who otherwise wouldn't be there. And you can take it a step further - if a combination of Bron, Steph, KD, Harden etc won't be picked, won't that even weaken the talent pool that we the U.S. will choose from, even more?

I know you didn't bring about Jamal as a "personal vendetta" thing, but they've been countless of American players who've been voted as All-Stars in recent seasons who haven't deserved to be recognized as one over him. Julius Randle is a 3x All-Star and you're really getting hung up on someone like Jamal going from someone who didn't come close to making one to now making potentially making it.

At this stage, we're none-the-wiser as to if all these players involved will be counted as All-Stars, or the All-Stars will be voted as normal, and then there'll be additional players added to the actual game (who won't be counted as All-Stars), so until we know exactly how voting will be adjudicated, it's pointless trying to contest a point about who is going to be deserving or not in a contractive capacity and an accolades one.

The point with Murray is to show how much easier it will be for him to make it now that he won’t compete with Americans for a spot. The swing in talent is enough to go from perennially on the outside looking in to a virtual yearly lock.

Average of 7 international players have made an ASG the last 5 years.

Julius Randle might not be a 3x all-star if 5-6 less spots a year went to Americans, on the flip Andrew Wiggins might be a 7x all-star right now if we had been doing Team World his whole career

 

[TheEgyptianConniption]

They've expressed their desire to play for Jamaica, that's why they're being brought up. They haven't definitively decided yet.

I know but it’s just goofy. My mom was born in Canada. That does not make me Canadian. My desire has nothing to do with it I was born in Buffalo so Im from the USA. As you can tell I find guys playing for different countries because they won’t make team USA just dumb. Just my opinion though.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The point with Murray is to show how much easier it will be for him to make it now that he won’t compete with Americans for a spot. The swing in talent is enough to go from perennially on the outside looking in to a virtual yearly lock.

If the All-Star voting changes where only 12 American players make it and only 12 international players make it, then yes, that could potentially bring about a lot of problems, but I don't see the NBA treating it in that manner. I see this as more of a novelty concept where the league is trying to drive some competition and attention back into the game.

In fact, if you listen to what Silver says, he isn't even sure what the format will be, just that it's an idea based around the Winter Olympics -

It doesn't sound like they'll be making some drastic permanent changes around actual All-Star voting.

Average of 7 international players have made an ASG the last 5 years.

Julius Randle might not be a 3x all-star if 5-6 less spots a year went to Americans, on the flip Andrew Wiggins might be a 7x all-star right now if we had been doing Team World his whole career

A concept like this wouldn't be even entertained earlier in Wiggins career, as I gather that's entirely the reason for it because it's a reflection of the ever-increasing number of international players in the NBA and the all the players who've rose to superstardom.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I know but it’s just goofy. My mom was born in Canada. That does not make me Canadian. My desire has nothing to do with it I was born in Buffalo so Im from the USA. As you can tell I find guys playing for different countries because they won’t make team USA just dumb. Just my opinion though.

That's cool if you believe that, I guess I'm more at the other end of the spectrum, where playing for a country where your ancestral roots come from is important. Amen is definitely good enough to make Team USA, so if he does decide to play for Jamaica in the end, it won't be because of that.

And I mean, let's be entirely honest here, does this country have any history in which we should be proud to represent?

I can't fault players for choosing to play for other countries, especially those who're fortunate enough to track from where they originally come from.

 

[SchoolboyC]

I know but it’s just goofy. My mom was born in Canada. That does not make me Canadian. My desire has nothing to do with it I was born in Buffalo so Im from the USA. As you can tell I find guys playing for different countries because they won’t make team USA just dumb. Just my opinion though.

FIBA has been letting Americans play for other countries for a while, and while it does suck to lose guys who could’ve been potential players, I’d much rather them play for countries they have actual ties to rather than playing for some European or Asian country

 

[SchoolboyC]

If the All-Star voting changes where only 12 American players make it and only 12 international players make it, then yes, that could potentially bring about a lot of problems, but I don't see the NBA treating it in that manner. I see this as more of a novelty concept where the league is trying to drive some competition and attention back into the game.

In fact, if you listen to what Silver says, he isn't even sure what the format will be, just that it's an idea based around the Winter Olympics -

It doesn't sound like they'll be making some drastic permanent changes around actual All-Star voting.

A concept like this wouldn't be even entertained earlier in Wiggins career, as I gather that's entirely the reason for it because it's a reflection of the ever-increasing number of international players in the NBA and the all the players who've rose to superstardom.

I’m operating on the assumption it would be 12 vs. 12 which is where my issue lies.

Now if it’s gonna be regular voting and they just put all the foreign players on one team with whatever number of Americans they need to fill the roster out then whatever

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

All this debate on The World not having enough players, not being deep enough, not deserving etc.

But if we don't have anyone that's capable of matching Wemby and Giannis next season, then all that shyt will quickly go out the window.

 

[UpNext]

These are not arbitrary standards.

The fact that you didn't know Sabonis plays for Lithuania on the international stage and has played for Team World during the ASG weekend speaks volumes. You then proceeded to bring up all these injured* players as if they'll even be there next season in that capacity only further emphasizes my point about you not really following the NBA like that.

They are 100% arbitrary. You have a person born in the USA, who lived 75-80% of his life in the USA and played amateur and professional basketball in the USA that is being assigned to team World. Is it team USA vs. the World or team USA vs the World + American(s) because they need American(s) on their roster to compete since they have no depth? You got folks in this thread also mentioning the Thompson twins, Paolo, KAT a gang of Americans for team World. Tf is even the point of team USA vs the World if half your "World" team is Americans? It's been 5 Americans suggested as being a part of team "World" that's how dire shyt is for them. They can't even field a team without folks putting Americans on it.

I didn't bring up that many injured players. LeBron, KD, AD and Kawhi are healthy right now. The only injured players I mentioned were Zion and Embiid (tongue in cheek). You got to disqualifying players at random, and I went along with it for the sake of thought exercise because even when you somehow create conditions where you start randomly disqualifying our best players while the world magically keeps all theirs we still clear. That's how much of a gap there still is.

 

[number21]

World is crazy
Markaneen
Giddey
OG
Schroeder
Murray
Porzingas

Youre not being serious.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

They are 100% arbitrary. You have people born in the USA, who lived 75-80% of their life in the USA and played amateur and professional basketball in the USA that are being assigned to team World. Is it team USA vs. the World or team USA vs the World + Americans because they need Americans on their roster to compete since they have no depth?

Because they've literally played for other other countries and played for Team World during the AS weekend before. So no, they're not arbitrary in this context, you just foolishly believed that because players Sabonis were born here and played all his ball here, that he would automatically be playing for the U.S.

You were severely mistaken.

At the end of the day, if there's going to be a concept that is U.S. vs. The World, for the purposes of entertainment (which is what the ASG is), there's not going to be some strict parameters on who represents who. I can see some All-Stars who'll end up playing for The World purely for the sake of the game, but then they could represent Team USA (on the international stage) at a later date.

After all, it's just an All-Star game. It's not some FIBA event.

I didn't bring up that many injured players. LeBron, KD, AD and Kawhi are healthy right now. The only injured players I mentioned were Zion and Embiid (tongue in cheek). You got to disqualifying players at random, and I went along with it for the sake of thought exercise because even when you somehow create conditions where you start randomly disqualifying our best players while the world magically keeps all theirs we still clear. That's how much of a gap there still is.

You brought up AD and Kawhi as potential starters for next season's ASG, failing to realize they weren't healthy enough this year. That's what I was trying to point out to you. Could they be healthy enough next season to play in the game? Sure. But I certainly wouldn't be penciling them in.

I'm not disqualifying anyone, I'm just pointing out basic shyt to you that you should be aware of before engaging in this debate. If you don't follow the NBA like that, that's cool, but you probably shouldn't have posted in this thread acting like you had an informed opinion to begin with.

You really just rambling on about nothing at this point to deflect you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Box Factory]

I do find it hilarious that ppl are in here saying "we got Hali, Ant, Brunson, Banchero, JJJ, etc"

But when an exact team of those players got washed in FIBA and finished like 6th less than 2 years ago, it was all "that's our b team, none of those guys could make a REAL team USA roster "

The future is bleak

 

[UpNext]

Because they've literally played for other other countries and played for Team World during the AS weekend before. So no, they're not arbitrary in this context, you just foolishly believed that because players Sabonis were born here and played all his ball here, that he would automatically be playing for the U.S.

You were severely mistaken.

At the end of the day, if there's going to be a concept that is U.S. vs. The World, for the purposes of entertainment (which is what the ASG is), there's not going to be some strict parameters on who represents who. I can see some All-Stars who'll end up playing for The World purely for the sake of the game, but then they could represent Team USA (on the international stage) at a later date.

After all, it's just an All-Star game. It's not some FIBA event.

You brought up AD and Kawhi as potential starters for next season's playoffs, failing to realize they weren't healthy enough for this year's ASG. That's what I was trying to point out to you. Could they be healthy enough next season to play in the game? Sure. But I certainly wouldn't be penciling them in.

I'm not disqualying anyone, I'm just pointing out basic shyt to you that you should be aware of before engaging in this debate. If you don't follow the NBA like that, that's cool, but you probably shouldn't have posted in this thread acting like you had an informed opinion to begin with.

You really just rambling on about nothing at this point to deflect you don't know what you're talking about.

Idgaf where they played this is America vs the World. How you gonna have Americans on the team that's not America? The world lacking that much huh? They should rebrand it as team USA vs the World + random Americans because they clearly can't compete otherwise and it definitely needs to be some sort of backlash if they gonna just add a bunch of Americans to the "World" team


I brought up AD and Kawhi because they healthy right now and can hoop. Idk who's going to be healthy for next all star game and you don't either.