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What is the issue and source of your unhappiness? Your faith in Jesus is a powerful thing. You just have to know how to separate some of man's interpretation and your own relationship.

In terms of Christianity? The teachings around sexuality.

You're right though,every man's interpretation will be different. I remember reading up on this website back in 2012(i can't find it now, don't remember the url) but it was basically taking about the sexual lie that many pastors teach, and about what fornication really means, and how the church keeps going on about fornication being sexual activity out of marriage and promoting marriage because it's more financially beneficial to do so. He gave scripture and his reasoning behind what he said, and that many of these pastors were going to answer to God for continuing with this lie just for their financial gain. It was very deep. He also talked about some other things such as the golden rule, and that many people use grace as a cop out to continue sinning, and the importance of going back and apologizing to every person you offended and sinned against. He also talked about some other things in terms of diet ect. Somethings i agreed on, some i didn't. It was his interpretation at the end of the day, and every man has one.
 

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In terms of Christianity? The teachings around sexuality.

You're right though,every man's interpretation will be different. I remember reading up on this website back in 2012(i can't find it now, don't remember the url) but it was basically taking about the sexual lie that many pastors teach, and about what fornication really means, and how the church keeps going on about fornication being sexual activity out of marriage and promoting marriage because it's more financially beneficial to do so. He gave scripture and his reasoning behind what he said, and that many of these pastors were going to answer to God for continuing with this lie just for their financial gain. It was very deep. He also talked about some other things such as the golden rule, and that many people use grace as a cop out to continue sinning, and the importance of going back and apologizing to every person you offended and sinned against. He also talked about some other things in terms of diet ect. Somethings i agreed on, some i didn't. It was his interpretation at the end of the day, and every man has one.

So do you feel the source of your unhappiness is you not having the kind of interactions with women you desire?
 

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You're not a Christian, but you have more knowledge in Christianity. What faction of Christianity would you suggest?
Since you're used to the fire and brimstone type I would suggest a denomination that doesn't believe in eternal hellfire like the Anglicans. Or even possibly check out Gnosticism which is a big leap from mainstream Christianity.
 

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Ok great, well excuse me if I want and need a lord and savior who is going address my issues and problems. If my personal issues/pain is of no importance to God, and trivial, then it's hard to feel motivated to follow him. I'm not looking for candy and rainbows, but I want to be happy and have my problems addressed and for someone to come along and tell me they care. I won't apologize for that. I'm tired of being unhappy and feeling beat down by life. And stay out of my thread because you've pissed me off. Christians like you( because all aren't) are why I genuinely stay away from church. Instead of trying to help and understand a persons plight and pain, you sit up here and act like self righteous a$$holes. And dude you're talking to someone who knows scripture and knows how Christians try to share the gospel and bring people to Christ. Most don't approach unbelievers and say "hey I'm Johnny, become a Christian, it's going be hell, but follow Jesus". They say " if you're tired or weary of heart, come to him, he will bring you true peace and happiness, this is what my life was like, but I gave my life to Christ and he changed my life." People never come to you trying to recruit you(for anything in life) bringing up the negative, they always mention the positive, because if a person has drug addiction, suffering from depression, ect, what the hell is approaching them and telling them, hey follow this path which will lead to more hell. Ppl will have the attitude well if that's what your offering then I'll pass because I can struggle and go through hell all by myself. Most people seek out religion for inner peace, happiness or to fill a void in their life. That's a fact.

Not even trying to troll or be an ass but it sounds like you should see a therapist more than you should seek out a religion. You tried that once (albeit when you were a teenager) and it seems to have really messed you up during a pivotal time of development during puberty. Instead of trying to find peace through people who have researched one incredibly misinterpreted, altered, and controversial book... Find a therapist who has read hundreds on sexual-mental-happiness connections and help yourself that way.


Good luck breh
 

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Man I think you will really have to assess yourself to determine what you really need to do. I've found that once you hit the point where you're at, you really have the motivation to change things to garner more success. God can definitely help you, but you also have to help yourself. Come chop it up with us here:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/quick-lil-gems-on-dealing-with-women-thread.10146/page-2549

also, message me if you have any questions about Jesus or things of that nature.
 

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Ok great, well excuse me if I want and need a lord and savior who is going address my issues and problems. If my personal issues/pain is of no importance to God, and trivial, then it's hard to feel motivated to follow him. I'm not looking for candy and rainbows, but I want to be happy and have my problems addressed and for someone to come along and tell me they care. I won't apologize for that. I'm tired of being unhappy and feeling beat down by life. And stay out of my thread because you've pissed me off. Christians like you( because all aren't) are why I genuinely stay away from church. Instead of trying to help and understand a persons plight and pain, you sit up here and act like self righteous a$$holes. And dude you're talking to someone who knows scripture and knows how Christians try to share the gospel and bring people to Christ. Most don't approach unbelievers and say "hey I'm Johnny, become a Christian, it's going be hell, but follow Jesus". They say " if you're tired or weary of heart, come to him, he will bring you true peace and happiness, this is what my life was like, but I gave my life to Christ and he changed my life." People never come to you trying to recruit you(for anything in life) bringing up the negative, they always mention the positive, because if a person has drug addiction, suffering from depression, ect, what the hell is approaching them and telling them, hey follow this path which will lead to more hell. Ppl will have the attitude well if that's what your offering then I'll pass because I can struggle and go through hell all by myself. Most people seek out religion for inner peace, happiness or to fill a void in their life. That's a fact.
My point was that pain is a part of every life. We can't avoid it really. So at the end of the day we will all go through something - that was my point - though it may have come across as insensitive. The bible tells us to encourage one another also ... and my bad I did not do that ... especially considering that sounds like you are going though some crazy stuff right now I will be a man and apologize.
 

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This is a non trolling question. Many people who say they give their life to Christ and start a relationship with him and experience such peace and happiness. I don't doubt their sincerity, but all I can say is I got involved in Christianity and/or religion in 2001. I was 11 years old(26 now), So from 11-13 I tried to follow this faith and all I felt was unhappiness, fear and guilt. What's your guys explanation? Anyone else experience those feelings following a specific faith? Not bashing Christianity, just being honest, it never gave me what many of you say you have. Maybe it was just me I guess:francis: (Sidenote: I'm not saying I'm happy now. I wasnt happy trying to follow Christianity, and I'm not happy now. I guess I need to sit down and figure out why that truly is and fix it)

From my view it is in the heart. If there is anything in the way of turning your life over to Jesus then there is a conflict. Either the Lord reigns or you reigns.

Doubt and disbelief are nothing new. Looking at the prophets John the Baptist was related to Jesus and at one point doubted if He was the one. Thomas doubted, Paul doubted, Peter even denied. To stand here and act as if doubt never crossed my mind would make me a liar.

The fact that this is something you are struggling with shows the battle of the flesh versus the sp.
Pray to the Lord and reveal what is in your heart.

Matthew 11:1-6 KJV And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities. [2] Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, [3] And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another? [4] Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: [5] The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. [6] And blessed is he , whosoever shall not be offended in me.
 

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dont forget all the references to the Prophet pbuh in the Bible :wow:

“And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever," (John 14:16). :banderas:

Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." :banderas:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Jibreel commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned". :banderas:

but the most powerful example is in Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem." is the english translation but lets look at the original TEXT in its ORIGINAL language

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.

it was right infront of yall Christians the whole time if you only studied the scripture with an open mind :banderas:

Are you REALLY saying that Mohammed was referenced in the book Song of Solomon??!??!?

Here is the ENTIRE 5th chapter of Song of Solomon:

Song of Solomon 5:1-16 KJV I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk: eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, O beloved. [2] I sleep, but my heart waketh: it is the voice of my beloved that knocketh, saying , Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with the drops of the night. [3] I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed my feet; how shall I defile them? [4] My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door , and my bowels were moved for him. [5] I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock. [6] I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was gone: my soul failed when he spake: I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer. [7] The watchmen that went about the city found me, they smote me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me. [8] I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if ye find my beloved, that ye tell him, that I am sick of love. [9] What is thy beloved more than another beloved, O thou fairest among women? what is thy beloved more than another beloved, that thou dost so charge us? [10] My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand. [11] His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven. [12] His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set. [13] His cheeks are as a bed of spices, as sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh. [14] His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires. [15] His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars. [16] His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.

Please tell me how you get Mohammed after reading the chapter in context.
 

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There is no contradiction, you see a contradiction because you have interpreted verses in a certain way. Show something you perceive to be a contradiction and i will give you an explanation.
Breh...


Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man…"

But Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible:

John 8:40 "…a man who has told you the truth…"

Acts 2:22 "Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know."

Acts 17:31 "He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed"

There is a distinct contradiction in the basis of Christianity trinity and divinity of Jesus


All evidence points towards Jesus being a man - a messenger of God. And not a divine being. And he preached so.


Matthew 19:17 And he said to him, "Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Jesus did not teach people that he was God. If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus questioned him and denied he was God.

This is enough to confirm the main contradiction in the bible. The trinity and divinity of Jesus. What do you think now?
 

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Breh...


Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man…"

But Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible:

John 8:40 "…a man who has told you the truth…"

Acts 2:22 "Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know."

Acts 17:31 "He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed"

There is a distinct contradiction in the basis of Christianity trinity and divinity of Jesus


All evidence points towards Jesus being a man - a messenger of God. And not a divine being. And he preached so.


Matthew 19:17 And he said to him, "Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Jesus did not teach people that he was God. If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus questioned him and denied he was God.

This is enough to confirm the main contradiction in the bible. The trinity and divinity of Jesus. What do you think now?

Here is your explanation like i promised.

Firstly read and understand these verses. John 1: 1-14,

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The word WAS WITH God and WAS God. The reason why you see a contradiction is because you put limits on God, humanly limits on God. You incorrectly assume that God can only exist in one form at one time as any other created being. This verse tells you that the Word was with God and was God and the Word was MADE FLESH and dwelt among us. The word was made flesh, made as a man and then dealt among us and that Word is Jesus Christ. Even your Quran calls Jesus Christ a word from God. John the baptist was sent to bare witness of the Light, the light that was In the world and was MADE BY him but the world knew him not. John the baptist was sent to bare witness of Jesus Christ, that light who was in the world an the world was MADE BY HIM, as it says in verse 2 and 3, the word in the beginning was with God and all things WERE MADE BY him and without him was not any thing made. Your Quran also confirms that he who John the baptist bore witness of is Jesus Verse 4 says in Him the word was life, and the life was the light of men, John 8:12 'Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, ''I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.'' '

The identity of Jesus as God is made perfectly clear, he is the word who is God and who was then made flesh, he was then MADE A MAN and dwelt amoung us. He become a man, He is both God AND Man. The first you quoted in numbers is from the Old testament, before he was made in man, at the point he was not a man, he was still God in heaven.

Exodus 3:13-14,

13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

John 8:58, Jesus said unto them, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am'

Understand what Jesus is saying in that verse. Firstly he is saying he pre-existed Abraham, which wouldn't be possible if he was merely a man but is because he is the word which was with God and WAS God from the beginning and which created everything and was MADE A MAN and dwelt among us. Before Abraham was, I AM. He is claiming the name of God, the I AM who spoke to Moses. Jesus Christ was the voice in the burning bush who spoke to Moses. Just like the Word was with God and IS God the two together, that word was made flesh in Jesus Christ and that word Jesus Christ is STILL God but he is also flesh, he is also a man. The limits you put on God and his existence, assuming he is not capable of existing in two different forms at the same time is why you find a contradiction, GOD HAS NO LIMITS.

Now when he came down to dwell among us as a human in the flesh he was subject to the limits of the flesh. He took on a human body and came as a man so in the form of a man he was subject to the laws of the flesh. Hence why Satan tried to tempt him in the wilderness, God cannot be tempted, but seeing as he was in the form of a man, living in the flesh and subject to the limits God himself place on the flesh Satan attempted it. And that is why he it was his Godly form who had to do the miracles through him, God has no limits, but in the form of A man he subjected himself to the limits of man hence why it was the Godly form that did the works through him.

In matthew 19:17 Jesus rebuked that man because the man spoke out of Ignorance. As it says in John 1:10 'he was in the world but the world knew him not', that man didn't know he was God, he thought he was simply a man and yet he called him Good master. Jesus would not commend him for saying something out of ignorance. He knew Jesus not as God but as just a man, so therefore based on what he knew he should not have called him Good master. Jesus didn't deny he was God, he never said he wasn't God, he just asked why the man, who didnt know he was God had called him good master when only God is good.

John 14:8 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?.

The man in matthew knew not Jesus as God therefore Jesus rebuked him for calling him God master, but in the verse above Jesus rebukes Philip for the exact opposite. Jesus is saying that considering how long he has been with Philip, he should know who Jesus is by now.

John 20,

'28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
' Here Thomas the disciple calls Jesus Lord and God. Because he knows who Jesus is.

Luke 7:48-50

'48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. 49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? 50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.' Here we see Jesus Christ forgive this woman's sins.

John 14
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Jesus is called the Lord throughout the bible, and in the Old testament before Jesus came to earth God was called the Lord. Exodus chapter 5 for example

1 And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a feast unto me in the wilderness.

2 And Pharaoh said, Who is the Lord, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the Lord, neither will I let Israel go.
 

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Here is your explanation like i promised.

Firstly read and understand these verses. John 1: 1-14,

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The word WAS WITH God and WAS God. The reason why you see a contradiction is because you put limits on God, humanly limits on God. You incorrectly assume that God can only exist in one form at one time as any other created being. This verse tells you that the Word was with God and was God and the Word was MADE FLESH and dwelt among us. The word was made flesh, made as a man and then dealt among us and that Word is Jesus Christ. Even your Quran calls Jesus Christ a word from God. John the baptist was sent to bare witness of the Light, the light that was In the world and was MADE BY him but the world knew him not. John the baptist was sent to bare witness of Jesus Christ, that light who was in the world an the world was MADE BY HIM, as it says in verse 2 and 3, the word in the beginning was with God and all things WERE MADE BY him and without him was not any thing made. Your Quran also confirms that he who John the baptist bore witness of is Jesus Verse 4 says in Him the word was life, and the life was the light of men, John 8:12 'Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, ''I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.'' '

The identity of Jesus as God is made perfectly clear, he is the word who is God and who was then made flesh, he was then MADE A MAN and dwelt amoung us. He become a man, He is both God AND Man. The first you quoted in numbers is from the Old testament, before he was made in man, at the point he was not a man, he was still God in heaven.

Exodus 3:13-14,

13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

John 8:58, Jesus said unto them, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am'

Understand what Jesus is saying in that verse. Firstly he is saying he pre-existed Abraham, which wouldn't be possible if he was merely a man but is because he is the word which was with God and WAS God from the beginning and which created everything and was MADE A MAN and dwelt among us. Before Abraham was, I AM. He is claiming the name of God, the I AM who spoke to Moses. Jesus Christ was the voice in the burning bush who spoke to Moses. Just like the Word was with God and IS God the two together, that word was made flesh in Jesus Christ and that word Jesus Christ is STILL God but he is also flesh, he is also a man. The limits you put on God and his existence, assuming he is not capable of existing in two different forms at the same time is why you find a contradiction, GOD HAS NO LIMITS.

Now when he came down to dwell among us as a human in the flesh he was subject to the limits of the flesh. He took on a human body and came as a man so in the form of a man he was subject to the laws of the flesh. Hence why Satan tried to tempt him in the wilderness, God cannot be tempted, but seeing as he was in the form of a man, living in the flesh and subject to the limits God himself place on the flesh Satan attempted it. And that is why he it was his Godly form who had to do the miracles through him, God has no limits, but in the form of A man he subjected himself to the limits of man hence why it was the Godly form that did the works through him.

In matthew 19:17 Jesus rebuked that man because the man spoke out of Ignorance. As it says in John 1:10 'he was in the world but the world knew him not', that man didn't know he was God, he thought he was simply a man and yet he called him Good master. Jesus would not commend him for saying something out of ignorance. He knew Jesus not as God but as just a man, so therefore based on what he knew he should not have called him Good master. Jesus didn't deny he was God, he never said he wasn't God, he just asked why the man, who didnt know he was God had called him good master when only God is good.

John 14:8 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?.

The man in matthew knew not Jesus as God therefore Jesus rebuked him for calling him God master, but in the verse above Jesus rebukes Philip for the exact opposite. Jesus is saying that considering how long he has been with Philip, he should know who Jesus is by now.

John 20,

'28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
' Here Thomas the disciple calls Jesus Lord and God. Because he knows who Jesus is.

Luke 7:48-50

'48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. 49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? 50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.' Here we see Jesus Christ forgive this woman's sins.

John 14
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Jesus is called the Lord throughout the bible, and in the Old testament before Jesus came to earth God was called the Lord. Exodus chapter 5 for example

1 And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a feast unto me in the wilderness.

2 And Pharaoh said, Who is the Lord, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the Lord, neither will I let Israel go.
Look at the bolded.

Breh. I'm seeing a whole lot of mental gymnastics.

Can water be dry?

God has no limits. All powerful. All capable. You said it yourself.

So you are saying God limited Himself to lowly human flesh? Which goes against his very attributed of being all powerful.

Not to be disrespectful. Do you realize the bible says Jesus actually died and that he was killed by humans? That he felt actual hunger? Bled? Prayed?

You say that is God?

Breh... I'm not making any of this up.

Luke 6:12 "he continued all night in prayer to God."

Matthew 26:39: "he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father."

Ponder that. To who? Based on the evidence... Respectfully, Jesus was never divine.

Instead of the mental contortions and contradicting justifications.... It's simple. Jesus is the messenger of God. He prayed to Him. Look at the overwhelming texts. Why is it there?

This is the English translation of the Quran. Keep in mind the Quran is not a narration from people. It is the word of God.Chapter 4. Verse 171.

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.


Remember, Jesus never had a father. Based on that, What do you think?
 
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