SHAQ CALLS TIM DUNCAN A SYSTEM PLAYER.. CLAIMS CHRIS WEBBER WAS BETTER.

[Sccit]

shyt don't feel right when we can't throw Kobe slander into a thread like this And don't let the title fool you...every thread @Sccit makes is about Kobe somehow some way

But if y'all going to make system arguments against DunGawd, I need that proof showing what Kobe won outside of the triangle.

Webber was nice, but he wasn't Duncan.

IF U CANT GET KOBE OF YA MIND, DONT PUT THAT ON ME BRODIE

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT HOW OVERRATED DUNCAN IS .... STILL A GREAT PLAYER, JUS NOT A GOAT

 

[Cadillac]

you could argue this is jealousy. You could argue this is Shaq sticking up for his friend, competitive etc.

 

[10bandz]

Did they win a title i wasn’t aware of?

Laker fans need to stop trying to downplay Duncan to protect your guys. Duncan is a top 10 player ever and there’s not a godamn thing you can do about it

At the end of the day Pop coaches a 61 win team that lost in the WCF without Kawhi in the first year without TD. Y’all acting like the Spurs became trash immediately after TD retires. Do better, you know the Spurs falling off is because Kawhi left, not because TD retired

and I agree with TD being top 10. Of course I don’t think Webber is better

 

[SuperNintendo Chalmers]

So many neg worthy responses in here.

nikkas really disrespecting Big Fundamental out here.

 

[Supreme365]

IS THAT WHY KAWHI WON FINALS MVP?

Iggy won finals mvp over curry
Cornbread Maxwell won finals mvp over bird
That doesn’t make them the better player

 

[10bandz]

what was the spurs system in 99?

The evolvement of the Spurs offense is due to Pop. They just didn’t go from one extreme to the next it happened slowly over time. In 99 they had twin towers they were slowing it up and posting up and running pick n pops with TD. Not much movement it was basic shyt relying mostly on TDs dominance. But as time went Pop started introducing more of a motion offense and being able to be more creative due to TP and Manu and later Kawhi.

Pops load management system also helped Tim. Timmay just didnt have to carry as big of a load for the Spurs because of Pops efficient way of running the team and also being able to adjust. You look at 2014, TD isn’t in position to win that title with another coach. He’s in position to win in 2014 because of Pop innovating then offense over time. All those good international teammates TD has had is cuz of the Spurs prioritizing that shyt. That’s why it’s dumb when nikkas say TD is the system. No Pop is the system and TD was just the centerpiece of it. Kawhi was gonna be the new centerpiece and it probably was gonna work but Kawhi wanted to leave.

a good video on it



At the end of the day TD would be a legend regardless but him being able to win 5 titles over such a long time span is cuz of the way Pop ran that franchise. Every time they hit a low like failing to repeat or the 2011 debacle Pop is who reinvented and revived them.

 

[threattonature]

The issue with Duncan is the same one that I saw with Kawhi. Neither were stat chasers. Both were willing to run the offense and if other guys are cooking they'd focus on defense and be a cog in the system. However when the team was struggling is when you'd see them step up and go for theirs. In the long runs that made their stats not pop out as much but anybody watching the games knew just how important they were to the Spurs success. It's kind of like Isiah Thomas. If you empower other players it leads to more winning but then people will shyt on them for their stats not standing out and try and discredit them as players.

 

[Cadillac]

nikkas say the spurs haven’t won since TD retired, but weren’t the spurs beating the Dubs ass before Kawhi got hurt

don’t front like pop hasn’t had a contending team since TDs retired. 2017 61 wins + WCF

game 1 of 2017 WCF was just the warrirors coming out half assed. in no way was that spurs team gonna beat the 2017 warriors. At best the only thing they could have did was hand the warriors their first L before Cavs did it in game 4.

Plus they shouldnt have been there in the first place, Had James harden not choked in game 6 it should have been Rockets vs warriors. Given Kwahi was injured in I think Game 5 and 6

 

[Reggie]

Even if he played with the Spurs Webber didn't have the focus like Duncan to pick and choose his spots and when to dominate. He didn't have the defensive acumen of Tim either who anchored the Spurs defense from day one. Webber was nice as hell and deserves to be in the Hall of Fame but never at any point was he or would have been as good as Tim Duncan.

 

[FreshAIG]

Duncan > Shaq

 

[10bandz]

game 1 of 2017 WCF was just the warrirors coming out half assed. in no way was that spurs team gonna beat the 2017 warriors. At best the only thing they could have did was hand the warriors their first L before Cavs did it in game 4.

Plus they shouldnt have been there in the first place, Had James harden not choked in game 6 it should have been Rockets vs warriors. Given Kwahi was injured in game 6

Im not saying the spurs would’ve beat them but clearly they were a more than competent team. nikkas acting like TD retired and the Spurs all of a sudden looked pedestrian. Nah, they won 61 and WCF. Kawhi getting hurt got in the way of seeing how much they could push the Dubs

point being, spurs are wack now cuz Kawhi left not cuz TD retired. nikkas are trying to mischaracterize the post TD years.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Webber’s supporting cast in Sacramento was just as good, if not better than Duncan’s in that time period.

What’s the big difference between Peja, Bibby, Vlade & Christie and 40 year old Admiral, rookie Parker, rookie Manu & Bruce Bowen?

The difference is the system and coaching. Spurs excelled at both. Chris couldn’t be Tim, Shaq plays favorites.

 

[Sccit]

Iggy won finals mvp over curry
Cornbread Maxwell won finals mvp over bird
That doesn’t make them the better player

KAWHI WAS DEF BETTER THO, THAT WAS HIS BREAKOUT

 

[resistanze]

Im not saying the spurs would’ve beat them but clearly they were a more than competent team. nikkas acting like TD retired and the Spurs all of a sudden looked pedestrian. Nah, they won 61 and WCF. Kawhi getting hurt got in the way of seeing how much they could push the Dubs

point being, spurs are wack now cuz Kawhi left not cuz TD retired. nikkas are trying to mischaracterize the post TD years.

Your argument is that a 39 year old Duncan wasn't the sole driving force of the spurs by the time he retired?

What was the Lakers record in Kobe's second last and final season? How about the year after he retired?

 

[FTBS]

The difference is the system and coaching. Spurs excelled at both. Chris couldn’t be Tim, Shaq plays favorites.

The Kings offensive system was better. People focus on 14 and forget how the Spurs offense used to be for years. The difference defensively was all about having an ATG rim protector (or two for a few years there). You can't coach the way Duncan took it right to Shaq to delay and end the 3peat.