Shaq doubles down on winning without Kobe:” I coulda won 3 in a row with Vince “.

[Left.A1]

How did he benefit from Pau, when Pau never won a single playoff game as the guy? Not 1. He was 0-12 or 0-16...whichever it was. He wasn't getting 1 W. Name one other star player that didn't get a single W in the playoffs. He's a complimentary piece.

“GoatBe” was nothing more than a soccer playing cac canadians annual warm up routine before Pau came and saved his legacy.…. His feats prior to Pau after Shaq left his ass included

Missing the playoffs with a sub .500 record
Blowing a 3-1 lead
Quitting on his team
Getting bounced B2B in the first round
Holding his team hostage for a trade

It was embarrassing, it was shameful.… Pau saved him from going down as nothing more than Shaq’s little sidekick.…a “complimentary piece “ as you called it

 

[RedBull]

No he didn’t prove his point you’re just dumb. Pau Gasol was not relevant in the NBA whatsoever without Kobe Bryant. There are a lot of guys who put up 20 and 10 and are irrelevant. People know the difference. Victor Wemebyana putting up 20 and 10 how he does is nothing like what Pau Gasol was doing. He is as never a clear number 1 option. He was a second option on a championship team that had all of his shooting percentages skyrocket while being next to Kobe Bryant. In every physical series the Lakers played, he wilted and showed why he couldn’t be a number 1 option. In real time - some Lakers fans were saying we would be better with Marc given how soft Pau was playing. Pau was a very skilled big man and perfect compliment to Kobe and for the triangle but he’s a HOFer solely because he got to play with Kobe Bryant. Take that away and there’s not much separating him career-wise from a bunch of guys who had some good seasons.

This is very true. Lakers fans weren’t feeling Pau in that 2008 Celtics series. KG bullied him bad.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

This is very true. Lakers fans weren’t feeling Pau in that 2008 Celtics series. KG bullied him bad.

What about Kobe what was his performance like in that series?

 

[RedBull]

What about Kobe what was his performance like that series?

What about it? And what does it have to do with Pau getting bullied, and Lakers fans not feeling him?

 

[Left.A1]

No he didn’t prove his point you’re just dumb. Pau Gasol was not relevant in the NBA whatsoever without Kobe Bryant.

Kobe was completely irrelevant competitively after Shaq left his ass…so this is completely the opposite as usual with the cultist.… he was embarrassing himself yearly missing the playoffs... And getting bounced by Steve Nash and Boris Diaw when he wasn't quitting on his team.…while Pau as the grizzlies #1 option and only real offensive threat was leading his team to playoff appearances for the first time in franchise history...

Then there was that nasty sexual assualt case that completely rerouted his career.…. Pau came along and saved him.… he never won a playoff series without Shaq until Gasol saved the day.…. He was on the path to being remembered as a career sidekick that could only selfishly chuck his way to points despite constantly losing

You really should be thanking god for Pau or else you cultist would have to hear how he could never do it without Shaq for the rest of your lives

 

[Joe Sixpack]

What about it? And what does it have to do with Pau getting bullied, and Lakers fans not feeling him?

Kobe didn't play well in that series every game he was like 9/25 and 7/22.

In addition to Pau and Lamar getting bullied so was Kobe he didn't play well

 

[RedBull]

Kobe didn't play well in that series every game he was like 9/25 and 7/22.

In addition to Pau and Lamar getting bullied so was Kobe he didn't play well

Yes that’s why they lost. Never blamed Pau. Just spoke on him getting bullied. Not understanding your point.


Edit: I guess you thought I was gonna absolve Kobe.


Troll fishing shyt outta here. This board can’t even heave decent dialogue without this corny ass trolling and agenda shyt. Trash posters posing as real posters who give a shyt about sports.

 

[No1]

This is very true. Lakers fans weren’t feeling Pau in that 2008 Celtics series. KG bullied him bad.

Mans was useless versus the Spurs the series before. 2009 getting bullied by Luis Scola. Phil Jackson punching bro in the chest for hoe behavior against Dirk.

 

[No1]

Kobe didn't play well in that series every game he was like 9/25 and 7/22.

In addition to Pau and Lamar getting bullied so was Kobe he didn't play well

Kobe didn’t get bullied. The entire Celtics defense was based on stopping him. The Celtics bullied the rest of those dudes on the board. No one shot well in those Lakers and Celtics series on a consistent basis.

 

[murksiderock]

Couldn’t carry them to the chip like he’s projecting himself. Hes not humble and the facts prior to Kobe and Phil needs to be presented in order the see his whole career and why he’s so insecure now. He speaks like his because he knows he underachieved and he wants to change the narrative. Ride on that Shaq bus if you want, it’s a slippery slope, and you know it.


I downplayed nothing. Don’t insert me with those you’ve debated this topic with. I presented his playoff losses before Phil and the emergence of Kobe. I disagree with Shaq.


I miss the same era you miss, and I wholeheartedly agree with you. Rings was never the end all be all, it was just the cherry on top. Here we are now in the new era of thinking, yelling at the moon going against our TRUE beliefs just to roll with the punches.

The ring thing always need to be contextualized...

Deep down, all basketball heads understand that you have to contextualize rings, because nobody under the age of 70 has Bill Russell as the GOAT. Nobody says Hondo or Pippen are Top 10. That in itself, is proof that mf's know how to compartmentalize rings, people just go dumb to win an argument. Any person who flatly says, "_____ has more rings than ____", isn't really worth having a discussion with.

How these guys won their rings matters and there is nobody who considers rings won as a #2 or #3 or role player, greater than the rings someone won as a #1.

Nobody argues anything for James Worthy being high on the list, and Worthy has more rings than Wilt, and the same amount as Bird. But nobody makes no stupid ring argument because Worthy's 3 rings won are not the same weight as Moses or Dirk's single ring.

Rings matter a great deal, but you have to consistently apply the standard you set. If having more rings than the next guy is the standard, then that standard should be held across the board, because none of the people, that people under 70 argue for GOAT, have the most rings.

If nikkas not holding a consistent standard they may as well not even mention anyone's rings at all...

 

[Yayo Toure]

Shaq is the biggest underachiever in NBA history. Could have had 8+ rings but spent his summer making shytty movies and shytty music. Man squandered what should have been the GOAT career to make Shazam and Steel.

 

[10bandz]

You forgot 1997 losing 4-1 to Utah
Then losing in 1998 Semis 4-0 to Utah again

That 1998 Lakers team had 4 all stars in Shaq, Van Exel, Eddie Jones, and 19 year old Kobe.

Let’s see:

1995- swept in fjnals
1996- swept in ECF
Left Penny:
1997- lost 4-1 in Semis
1998- swept in Semis
1999- swept in Semis

There’s one common denominator. Him.

Crazy how "Real Lakers Fan" @NYC Rebel can overlook all of this and then act like Tmac could've rolled in and won 4 out of 5

 

[10bandz]

No he didn’t prove his point you’re just dumb. Pau Gasol was not relevant in the NBA whatsoever without Kobe Bryant. There are a lot of guys who put up 20 and 10 and are irrelevant. People know the difference. Victor Wemebyana putting up 20 and 10 how he does is nothing like what Pau Gasol was doing. He is as never a clear number 1 option. He was a second option on a championship team that had all of his shooting percentages skyrocket while being next to Kobe Bryant. In every physical series the Lakers played, he wilted and showed why he couldn’t be a number 1 option. In real time - some Lakers fans were saying we would be better with Marc given how soft Pau was playing. Pau was a very skilled big man and perfect compliment to Kobe and for the triangle but he’s a HOFer solely because he got to play with Kobe Bryant. Take that away and there’s not much separating him career-wise from a bunch of guys who had some good seasons.

Pau wasn't putting up 20 and 10 though. 10+ big men in the mid-late00s were putting up 20 and 10 and Pau wasn't one of them.

Pau wasn't even a top 20-25 scorer in the NBA most seasons.

 

[10bandz]

You completely proved his point. A guy who made 4 all nba teams while sharing his position with Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Amare Stoudemire, Blake Griffin, and Zach Randolph who was a guy you could count on for 19-20 points and 10-11 rebounds with damn good passing and defense made a world of difference. The previous 3 seasons for the lakers went as follows:


34 wins no playoffs
Blew a 3-1 lead in the first round after a barely .500 season
Out in the first round 4-1 after a barely .500 season


A complimentary piece is is someone like Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Tayshaun Prince, Jamal Crawford or someone of that nature. A six time all star who made the hall of fame is way more than just a complimentary piece and if you don’t think Kobe benefitted from playing next to him you should probably schedule a CAT scan.

All of this from a fakkit who'd tell you Kyrie, Bosh and AD didn't do much.

As a matter fact, breh didn't even mention Bosh in his post but wanted to mention Blake Griffin, a guy who was drafted in 2009.

You loser are very pathetic. "Real Lakers Fan" @NYC Rebel cosigns this b*stardization of Lakers history though.

 

[10bandz]

Kobe was completely irrelevant competitively after Shaq left his ass…so this is completely the opposite as usual with the cultist.… he was embarrassing himself yearly missing the playoffs... And getting bounced by Steve Nash and Boris Diaw when he wasn't quitting on his team.…while Pau as the grizzlies #1 option and only real offensive threat was leading his team to playoff appearances for the first time in franchise history...

Then there was that nasty sexual assualt case that completely rerouted his career.…. Pau came along and saved him.… he never won a playoff series without Shaq until Gasol saved the day.…. He was on the path to being remembered as a career sidekick that could only selfishly chuck his way to points despite constantly losing

You really should be thanking god for Pau or else you cultist would have to hear how he could never do it without Shaq for the rest of your lives

Beyond pathetic posting.