Shaq: I Agree With What T-Mac Said. Probably Get A Lot Of Flak, But I Always Said Myself, I , I Think I Could've Got 3 In A Row With T-Mac.

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Talent -wise Mac IS. But that’s where it stops. He doesn’t compare to Bean mentally. If he did, he’d have more epic games and offensive and DEFENSIVE feats. What do we remember Mac for? Please share my good brother. What do we remember him for? I’ll tell you, we remember him for, “what if”, just like the ONLY reason we’re up here debating. “If he played with Shaq…” Then it’s gonna turn to, “If he stayed healthy”, then it’s gonna turn to, “If his team was better”. Everything is what if with breh and you’re adding on to the list with every post:manny:
The question is would Shaq 3 peat with McGrady in his prime. Yes, he would. Is Kobe better.
Yes, he was. With or without Shaq.
 

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Ultimately Kobe did what he set out to do. T Mac couldn’t get out of the first round even with favorable odds and Kobe did three finals runs with two chips…without Shaq

These are the facts

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Breh, look at the squads McGrady had in those playoffs. It was extremely bleak. If we just added him to my Hawks, we would have went to the Finals asap. Add him to Mookie, Deke, Henderson, Christian L, and Smitty. We would have won a title. T-Mac squad was so weak. Ya'll forget how hurt and washed Grant looked at that time.
 

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TMac had prime Yao and couldn't make the Finals.
T-Mac was out of his prime in Houston. Even at the jump. He was still all star good but he wasn't elite anymore. Orlando T-Mac prime was short but he was unstoppable. I watched those games. He would carry Orlando nightly. His last year, Orlando gave him a straight up G league team
 

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Don’t y’all Kobe Stans do the exact same thing when it comes to other players, most notably Bron?

Ain’t no fun when the rabbit got the gun is it?
Kobe stans are delusional and I used to be the biggest. It's because our love for Kobe had more to do with, we valued he got more out of himself than any other player in NBA history. Maybe Draymond is close but most hate watching Draymond play whereas we all love watching Kobe play.

Sometimes, someone playing style just makes the world of difference. I know I loved watching Jay Jay Okocha play a lot more than Messi but Messi way better. Still rather watch Okocha. Rarely you get a Mahomes. Someone fun to watch who's equally as dominating. Kobe was the most fun player I've seen since MJ and I felt no one did as much to squeeze every ounce out of himself as Kobe. Not KD, Steph, Bron, Duncan, or even MJ. Kobe just seemed like he squeezed everything out of himself from the outside looking in. Could that be accurate? Probably not but that's the way it seemed.
 

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That Klutch Sports check must've cleared.

Here's the answer. How come no one says what they would have done if they teamed up with Wade/Bosh/Kyrie/Love/AD/Luka? Or if they went to Golden State like KD did? How about if they get to go to LA to play with Kareem and Worthy like Magic? How is Kobe, someone who proved he could win with OR without Shaq, the example used in these what if scenarios?

Someone needs to explain to them that talkindown on Kobe aint gonna make Lebron better :yeshrug:
T-Mac was out of his prime in Houston. Even at the jump. He was still all star good but he wasn't elite anymore. Orlando T-Mac prime was short but he was unstoppable. I watched those games. He would carry Orlando nightly. His last year, Orlando gave him a straight up G league team

TMac went to Houston at 25 and he already out his prime? :mjlol::childplease:

How convenient when he gets an undeniable #2 he's magically out of his prime, yet that gets to be his excuse for NEVER making it out of the 1st round. TMac also made 0 All defensive teams but somehow he's a 1 for 1 switch out for someone that made 12?



TMac wasnt built like this and neither was Shaq. 2 undriven, lazy defensive players with one (Shaq) that had a reputation of getting jealous of his teammates success (Penny, Kobe) arent automatically winning 3 in a row.
 
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Breh, look at the squads McGrady had in those playoffs. It was extremely bleak. If we just added him to my Hawks, we would have went to the Finals asap. Add him to Mookie, Deke, Henderson, Christian L, and Smitty. We would have won a title. T-Mac squad was so weak. Ya'll forget how hurt and washed Grant looked at that time.

You mean to tell me in the history of the league Tracy is the ONLY guy to never get his team out of the 1st round??

He’s had winnable series. If you’re up 3-1 in a series the math said you close the deal not shoot your mouth about the second round. The year they lost to Utah was a winnable series.

Not The Finals..
Not WCF/ECF…
Not Even Semis…
The fukkin 1st round?????????

I would feel embarrassed
 
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Here's the answer. How come no one says what they would have done if they teamed up with Wade/Bosh/Kyrie/Love/AD/Luka? Or if they went to Golden State like KD did? How about if they get to go to LA to play with Kareem and Worthy like Magic? How is Kobe, someone who proved he could win with OR without Shaq, the example used in these what if scenarios?

Someone needs to explain to them that talkindown on Kobe aint gonna make Lebron better :yeshrug:


TMac went to Houston at 25 and he already out his prime? :mjlol::childplease:

How convenient when he gets an undeniable #2 he's magically out of his prime, yet that gets to be his excuse for NEVER making it out of the 1st round. TMac also made 0 All defensive teams but somehow he's a 1 for 1 switch out for someone that made 12?



TMac wasnt built like this and neither was Shaq. 2 undriven, lazy defensive players with one (Shaq) that had a reputation of getting jealous of his teammates success (Penny, Kobe) arent automatically winning 3 in a row.

Some of ya'll just wasn't watching much ball back then but got strong and bad opinions
You mean to tell me in the history of the league Tracy is the ONLY guy to never get his team out of the 1st round??

He’s had winnable series. If you’re up 3-1 in a series the math said you close the deal not shoot your mouth about the second round. The year they lost to Utah was a winnable series.

Not The Finals..
Not WCF/ECF…
Not Even Semis…
The fukkin 1st round?????????
The ball knowing is at an all time low. Did you guys actually watch those Orlando teams?
 
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Some of ya'll just wasn't watching much ball back then but got strong and bad opinions

The ball knowing is at an all time low. Did you guys actually watch those Orlando teams?

I remember the circumstances…
I remember the quotes…

You don’t choke away 3-1 leads and bring up other people’s success
You don’t choke away 2-0 leads and bring up other people’s success
You don’t lose game 7s at home and bring up other people’s success

On top of that it wasn’t exactly like Tracy was going super nova out there. He was putting up Stackhouse numbers

If all there was to Kobe was 06 people would flame him too

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T-mac is the most overrated player of all time. I still stand on the opinion that he was equal to carmelo as far as game impact. But simply had a more aesthetically pleasing game. I bet shaq wouldn't say he win three with melo though.
 
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