Should college education and healthcare be a constitutional right?
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ill
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This basically.
ObamaCare is a joke but a true universal system would be good.
On the fence with higher ed but leaning towards no.
An obvious yes to both. I can't imagine living in a country where I need to pay for my higher education or health care. In fact I really on student support somewhat to help me make ends meet.
If you live in a rich country and accept having to pay for this stuff your happy with being fukked over.
If you live in a rich country and accept having to pay for this stuff your happy with being fukked over.
Bruh Scotland has a lot of problems related to those perks, and Im not even sure their UE rate is any higher than GBs. Not to say higher education isn't important- it's critical in 2015. But if it's not implemented in a way that creates jobs and economic activity its kind of pointless.
"Education in Trinidad and Tobago is free and compulsory between ages 5 and 16. Trinidad and Tobago is considered one of the most educated countries in the World with a literacy rate exceeding 98%.[2] This exceptionally high literacy rate can be attributed, in part, to free tuition from Kindergarten (Pre-School) to University. In addition, the Government of Trinidad and Tobago, via the Ministry of Education provides free transport, books and meals to students of primary and secondary age."
There are lots of opportunities for jobs here, I'm in my last year of law school and the entire thing was paid for by G.A.T.E. (Government Assisted Tertiary Education).
GATE pays for all of your undergrad tuition and 40% of your Post graduate. The only catch is that it's mandatory to work here for two years, as a repayment to the country.
We don't have any worse problems than the rest of the world (aside maybe from violent crime) in the current economic climate tbh. And I'm sure we'd be better of on our own but that's not for this thread. And we're .1% better than the uk average for unemployment so it's pretty much the same. And are about 4% better off in tertiary education rates.
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tripleaamin
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I won't say it should be a right, but the cost is beyond overboard.
For example im getting my associates in CC after taking my time and learning to grow up managing and working my first part time job at Walmart. (I live literally 5-10 mins away so that why I'm sticking their till I get my bachlors)
However im gonna transfer to uconn next semester full time and as much as I want to live on campus so studying will be easier. I can't justify doing that and spending 27,000 - 30,000 per year compared to 11,000 - 13,000 per year. It SUKS in terms of the commute and still having to work.
But at the end of the day I have to keep the long term goal in my mind of trying to come out of uconn with as little debt as reasonably possible.
For example im getting my associates in CC after taking my time and learning to grow up managing and working my first part time job at Walmart. (I live literally 5-10 mins away so that why I'm sticking their till I get my bachlors)
However im gonna transfer to uconn next semester full time and as much as I want to live on campus so studying will be easier. I can't justify doing that and spending 27,000 - 30,000 per year compared to 11,000 - 13,000 per year. It SUKS in terms of the commute and still having to work.
But at the end of the day I have to keep the long term goal in my mind of trying to come out of uconn with as little debt as reasonably possible.
Wink Beaufield
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I agree with you it should be a constitutional right to both of these services. The older generation seems incredibly selfish for some reason. Even their arguments are not relatable. Examples:
1) I paid for college while working full time.
2) well if you can't get into your expensive school, go to a cheaper one
3) Why should they pay for your healthcare.
There's so many dumb things with their thinking, it makes me sick.
1) you paid for college full time, that's cute and all; however college was t as expensive than it is today. Secondly because of their economic policies ( Reganomics), the wages in America have shrunk or stopped completely. These older people have no idea, how bad they screwed us.
2) Then they say you should go to a community college or a commuter school. However they would be the same dikkkriders on a private university student, and telling the community college/commuter student " Sorry he goes to a better school
3) Then they talk about paying for somebody else's healthcare, but if we say let's stop paying for Medicare, then they want to flip out about some story about how they built America.
They're hypocrites
Tell me about it. I get tired of these baby boomers saying that had a degree, good job and paid for house and car at 30. I got no problems leaning on them by telling them that their house cost around $35,000-$80,000 and their car cost like $5,000 brand new and how they straight up ignore inflation.
Right now college education costs are equivalent to the cost of a house. And we have folks out here going bankrupt after major medical issues requiring long stays in a hospital.
Every nation that ranks ahead of us in education has education in their constitution, our constitution doesn't mention the words education or health.
Why are older people so disgusted an appalled at the idea of college being free for everyone? Is it as simple as the fact that THEY had to pay for it so they don't want someone else to get it for free? The baby boomer tried to get into a pissing match in regards to how many hours I work per week and that he had to "work two full-time jobs" to pay for college. Breh is telling me he worked 80 hours a week to afford college in the 70s?
I love how these baby boomers are so self-righteous when the country was at it's economical peak during their lives, and has almost completely fallen apart under their watch. Going off of historical accounts it seems they are quite possibly the most deluded self-absorbed generation this country has ever seen. They made the same money as people do now, but the cost of everything has quadrupled. Houses in the 70s and 80s cost what the average American made in a year, now they're 4-5 times what the average American makes in a year. Bunch of fukking a$$holes they are.
To answer your question, if America wants to compete on a global scale they need to make college and healthcare far more affordable, to the point that people working minimum wage jobs can afford both, or can do so while acquiring very little debt like $10-15k at the most. I don't know if they should be constitutional rights, but I couldn't, and really wouldn't try to make a very strong case against it. A lot of these delusional baby boomers still think America is the greatest country in the world, we're not even in the discussion in most categories, so if they ever want to see their beloved country get back to where they allowed it to fall from, then this, and many other pressing issues, need to be pushed to the forefront and changed drastically immediately.
Only reason I brought up the constitutional right thing was because I said they should be a natural human right, I wasn't even thinking about the constitution, but ol baby boomer quickly said "it's not a right because it's not in the constitution"
He also wanted to get into a pissing match about who worked more while going to college. If working two part time jobs could actually pay for rent, utilities, insurance AND school I would've done that. He didn't mention how long it took him to graduate but I can't imagine he graduated in 4 years considering he had a 4 day window between 5-8:30pm to go to class, I can't imagine dude took many credit hours with that schedule. There was no reasoning with him. He said join the military and they'll pay for school, I told him I wouldn't be accepted to the military because I have asthma. He kept parroting "there are always reasons not to succeed
" fukking infuriating
Only reason I brought up the constitutional right thing was because I said they should be a natural human right, I wasn't even thinking about the constitution, but ol baby boomer quickly said "it's not a right because it's not in the constitution"
He also wanted to get into a pissing match about who worked more while going to college. If working two part time jobs could actually pay for rent, utilities, insurance AND school I would've done that. He didn't mention how long it took him to graduate but I can't imagine he graduated in 4 years considering he had a 4 day window between 5-8:30pm to go to class, I can't imagine dude took many credit hours with that schedule. There was no reasoning with him. He said join the military and they'll pay for school, I told him I wouldn't be accepted to the military because I have asthma. He kept parroting "there are always reasons not to succeed
fukking infuriating
He sounds like the ideal, small minded, question nothing American citizen. I wonder what his idea of success even is.
Join the military as a means of gaining social mobility has to be the weakest fukking response these old heads can come up with. Yea put your life in danger for a corrupt government waging unjust wars in order to strong arm other countries for their resources so you can have them pay for your college. Something that costs a couple hundred dollars a semester in other countries, the generation before us expects us to either go into crippling debt to fight our way through, or literally risk our lives to get through without debt. It's incredibly man really. Sometimes I think we're being brought down by design, then other times I think it's just easier to accept that we're being brought down by design because the alternative is that we're just too stupid, willfully ignorant, lazy, and apathetic to do something about the collapse of our society.
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The generational divide stems from young people thinking money grows on trees.
Should college costs be brought significantly down? Yes.
Should student loans be disbursed more responsibly at lower interest rates? Yes.
Should financial education be more prominent in high schools, so future college students can make smarter decisions by understanding simple concepts like interest, debt and the lunacy of choosing a $30,000 a year school for a useless major over starting out at community college to get general education courses out of the way for a very affordable cost? Yes.
Should college be free for every citizen in this country as a constitutional right? No.
Where does it end? Can we extend that free school to Master's and PhD programs too?
The world hardens you, breh. Many people have radically different, more well-informed opinions based on life experience as they enter their 30s versus the idealistic early 20s.
