Should college education and healthcare be a constitutional right?

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Size has everything to do with it.

Tax base, beaucracy, nuances, specificity of the law, etc.

Not to mention issues with geographic implementation and population density.

No, you can't etc your way out of this one.

If we assume college attainment is the same within the Western world, then on a per capita basis the costs should be the same. So financial hurdles will be the same for countries of all sizes.

And pretty much everything else you pointed to is culture specific, not tied to the size of a population.

Not to mention, the skyrocketing costs of college and healthcare have become a defacto tax on the US, and have begun to have a major systematic drag on the economy.

So please walk me through the specific mechanisms that make social programs more viable for smaller countries than large ones.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

No, you can't etc your way out of this one.

If we assume college attainment is the same within the Western world, then on a per capita basis the costs should be the same. So financial hurdles will be the same for countries of all sizes..

No they shouldn't. This literally makes no sense. Theres more colleges in the US than most other countries combined...and on top of that, they're damn good...oh, and you're forgetting the GUARANTEED access to loans spiking costs

And pretty much everything else you pointed to is culture specific, not tied to the size of a population.

No, not entirely. Population and geography matters. Its why you can criss-cross south korea with high speed internet fiber but not texas to california.

Not to mention, the skyrocketing costs of college and healthcare have become a defacto tax on the US, and have begun to have a major systematic drag on the economy.

Arguable. If there were jobs people liked and/or felt compensated them adequately, i feel people wouldn't carry that burden as heavily.

So please walk me through the specific mechanisms that make social programs more viable for smaller countries than large ones

Why? So you can just shout "no you're wrong" and evade posting any evidence yourself? Like you always do? Or so you can just have a reason to pretend to have a reason to go against anything I say simply because you disagree with me? So you can pretend to be ignorant of the issues facing Norway and Finland, nations with populations the size of Houston or Miami and Sweden with the population the size of Chicago? Or Germany? Which is literally half the size of texas?

C'mon son.

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/4551794/alesina_size.pdf?sequence=2

www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty_pages/romain.wacziarg/downloads/handbook.pdf

 

[Lifer11]

Actually there are reasons for it. . . professors get paid a lot and colleges spend a lot of money on facilities to increased perceived value.

A 2006 study published by the Association of Higher Education Facilities Officers found that “poorly maintained or inadequate residential facilities” was the number-one reason students rejected enrolling at institutions.

People, especially millennials, are superficial, high-maintenance babies. Universities cater to this by constructing unnecessarily fancy buildings and dormitories.

When I lived in China, the dorms would have 4 bunk beds with 8 students in a 10 x 10 room with no amenities and a common bathroom with a hole in the fukking ground to take a shyt.

You think people complaining about $30,000 to $40,000 in tuition would do this?



Live at your parents. Get a job. Stop expecting the world to be handed to you. Forgo the expensive "college experience" for frugal living to get your education. Start at community college to get general education classes out of the way.



And I swear Americans are so financially clueless, it hurts.

College athletics may bring in "hundreds of millions" (more like 5 schools cracked $100 million), but they also have expenses.

Example:
Ohio State
Revenues - $115,737,022
Expenses - $114,264,848

And almost 25% of that "revenue" from Ohio State came from donations.

You honestly think Ohio State clears $1 million from their athletic program? Plus those numbers are from 2008. In 2014 their revenue was listed as $145,000,000 with their expenses listed at $113,000,000, safe to say those numbers are cooked like crazy. So I exaggerated, without doing any research, by saying hundreds of millions and you either blatantly lied or just did poor research. Either way large programs in 2014 claimed from as little as $2 mil (Wisconsin - Rev $125 mil Exp $123 mil) to as high as $86 mil (Oregon - Rev $196 mil Exp $110 mil) in profits, and all kind of figures in between.

USA TODAY Sports

Your point about schools having to build new and elaborate facilities to attract students and recruits are valid, but they have more than enough money to be able do that and still be able to lower tuition significantly.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

No they shouldn't. This literally makes no sense. Theres more colleges in the US than most other countries combined...and on top of that, they're damn good...oh, and you're forgetting the GUARANTEED access to loans spiking costs

Like I said, there are issues to be fixed..... not really relevant to my question though. And if the schools were so good, why are so many in dire straights? Most importantly though the # of colleges is irrelevant... plenty of countries with legitimate education systems, most notably Canada and Russia, have more folks with degrees despite having less colleges per capita. So this is not a legit point.

No, not entirely. Population and geography matters. Its why you can criss-cross south korea with high speed internet fiber but not texas to california.

For starters, what the fukk does cross country high speed internet have to do with public college systems? And even if that made any sense (and it doesn't), Western Europe has similar population density and area as the US and has much faster average internet speed. You are panicking

Arguable. If there were jobs people liked and/or felt compensated them adequately, i feel people wouldn't carry that burden as heavily.

Whether people like their jobs or feel they are getting paid is irrelevant. College and healthcare have increased faster than inflation, so even if you love your job and are getting paid fairly eventually there will come a point where both will be unaffordable for you.

Why? So you can just shout "no you're wrong" and evade posting any evidence yourself? Like you always do? Or so you can just have a reason to pretend to have a reason to go against anything I say simply because you disagree with me? So you can pretend to be ignorant of the issues facing Norway and Finland, nations with populations the size of Houston or Miami and Sweden with the population the size of Chicago? Or Germany? Which is literally half the size of texas?

C'mon son.

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/4551794/alesina_size.pdf?sequence=2

www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty_pages/romain.wacziarg/downloads/handbook.pdf

Are you going to cry? !!!!

All this text... answer the question lil nikka. What are the SPECIFIC mechanisms that make public programs difficult to implement with increasing country size in POPULATION (NOT GEOGRAPHIC AREA!!!!!!!!) IN YOUR OWN WORDS?

Posting some 10-50 page papers that generally discuss how population size effects overall economies AND NOT THESE VERY SPECIFIC ISSUES IS NOT AN ANSWER!

AND I DIDN'T MAKE ANY CLAIM.... @Brady Hoke's Artery DID, AND YOU PIGGYBACKED! The burden of proof is on YOU!

AND I ONLY SAY YOU ARE WRONG ALL THE TIME BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Like I said, there are issues to be fixed..... not really relevant to my question though. And if the schools were so good, why are so many in dire straights?

I've never met anyone who struggled with good grades. with a good major.

Most importantly though the # of colleges is irrelevant... plenty of countries with legitimate education systems, most notably Canada and Russia, have more folks with degrees despite having less colleges per capita. So this is not a legit point.

Fewer jobs. Can't create jobs out of nowhere. I'm all for a new deal, but I doubt college itself is the problem.

For starters, what the fukk does cross country high speed internet have to do with public college systems? And even if that made any sense (and it doesn't), Western Europe has similar population density and area as the US and has much faster average internet speed. You are panicking

We're discussing barriers to uniform infrastructure spending and outcomes. Keep up.

Whether people like their jobs or feel they are getting paid is irrelevant. College and healthcare have increased faster than inflation, so even if you love your job and are getting paid fairly eventually there will come a point where both will be unaffordable for you.

Remove the loans.

Are you going to cry? !!!!

The fukk are you talking about? Where did this come from?

All this text... answer the question lil nikka. What are the SPECIFIC mechanisms that make public programs difficult to implement with increasing country size in POPULATION (NOT GEOGRAPHIC AREA!!!!!!!!) IN YOUR OWN WORDS?

http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:202264/FULLTEXT01.pdf

I'm not posting my own words. You don't appreciate them. I defer to those who can resolve arguments better than I can.

I've already said things in my words, and you didnt like it. Calm the fukk down with all this keyboard slamming.

Posting some 10-50 page papers that generally discuss how population size effects overall economies AND NOT THESE VERY SPECIFIC ISSUES IS NOT AN ANSWER!

Read this again.

AND I DIDN'T MAKE ANY CLAIM.... @Brady Hoke's Artery DID, AND YOU PIGGYBACKED! The burden of proof is on YOU!

And the data shows this.

Again, an EU Prime Minister did a speech on this topic at Harvard JFK School I posted in this thread less than a month ago. Go listen to that.

AND I ONLY SAY YOU ARE WRONG ALL THE TIME BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats cute. You ask for data, I give you data. Then you ask for it in my own words.

I'm not writing term papers for you because you dislike policy decisions that aren't laden with sheer emotion and embrace difficult, if not exclusionary decisions.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You honestly think Ohio State clears $1 million from their athletic program? Plus those numbers are from 2008. In 2014 their revenue was listed as $145,000,000 with their expenses listed at $113,000,000, safe to say those numbers are cooked like crazy. So I exaggerated, without doing any research, by saying hundreds of millions and you either blatantly lied or just did poor research. Either way large programs in 2014 claimed from as little as $2 mil (Wisconsin - Rev $125 mil Exp $123 mil) to as high as $86 mil (Oregon - Rev $196 mil Exp $110 mil) in profits, and all kind of figures in between.

USA TODAY Sports

Your point about schools having to build new and elaborate facilities to attract students and recruits are valid, but they have more than enough money to be able do that and still be able to lower tuition significantly.

All that money is LOAN money.

Its guaranteed money. So of course those numbers are high.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Bruh. Posting a 50 page report is not answering the question. Whenever I post data, I POST DATA. I don't post a link to the data and say "my answer is in there, good luck finding it". That is some cheap hoe shyt.

At least post the PAGES that speak to your point.... or even better, the QUOTES FROM THE REPORTS that speak to your point. Making a claim and then telling the person who disagrees with it to find the data to support it is the height of intellectual laziness.

This is not asking you to "write a term paper", though even if I did you should have no problem doing so given your appetite for posting. Do you know how to copy and paste? I see you already know how to separate quotes and copy and paste links..... combine those skills and post evidence to back up your claim. Just skimming the conclusion of your last link, doesnt look like there is anything there demonstrating why smaller population countries are better equipped to implement public higher education and public healthcare programs than larger ones though..... but if it's in the body of the text, please, feel free to post the specific quotes and page numbers and we can have a MEANINGFUL conversation. Because this frantic Google link posting is not cutting it

 

[无名的]

You honestly think Ohio State clears $1 million from their athletic program? Plus those numbers are from 2008. In 2014 their revenue was listed as $145,000,000 with their expenses listed at $113,000,000, safe to say those numbers are cooked like crazy. So I exaggerated, without doing any research, by saying hundreds of millions and you either blatantly lied or just did poor research. Either way large programs in 2014 claimed from as little as $2 mil (Wisconsin - Rev $125 mil Exp $123 mil) to as high as $86 mil (Oregon - Rev $196 mil Exp $110 mil) in profits, and all kind of figures in between.

USA TODAY Sports

So what? You bizarrely brought together the issues of college affordability with athletic program profits... $1 million, $30 million. How does it help?

Ohio State had about 65,000 students in 2014. If you distributed $30 million profit to each student, they'd each get about $460.

Problem solved.

Your point about schools having to build new and elaborate facilities to attract students and recruits are valid, but they have more than enough money to be able do that and still be able to lower tuition significantly.

Where are you getting this info?

If you look at a school like OSU, operating revenue is $4.7 billion and operating expenses $5.2 billion. Many of these schools are up to their eyes in debt and are paying huge amounts of interest on debt even in a low rate environment.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Bruh. Posting a 50 page report is not answering the question. Whenever I post data, I POST DATA. I don't post a link to the data and say "my answer is in there, good luck finding it". That is some cheap hoe shyt.

At least post the PAGES that speak to your point.... or even better, the QUOTES FROM THE REPORTS that speak to your point. Making a claim and then telling the person who disagrees with it to find the data to support it is the height of intellectual laziness.

This is not asking you to "write a term paper", though even if I did you should have no problem doing so given your appetite for posting. Do you know how to copy and paste? I see you already know how to separate quotes and copy and paste links..... combine those skills and post evidence to back up your claim. Just skimming the conclusion of your last link, doesnt look like there is anything there demonstrating why smaller population countries are better equipped to implement public higher education and public healthcare programs than larger ones though..... but if it's in the body of the text, please, feel free to post the specific quotes and page numbers and we can have a MEANINGFUL conversation. Because this frantic Google link posting is not cutting it

Oh, so now i'll do your homework for you.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Oh, so now i'll do your homework for you.

You piggybacked on a claim that larger population countries are not as well suited to implementing public programs as small population countries

I asked for proof, you posted 10-50 page PDFs you probably haven't even read with nothing specific

How is askign you for more specific info asking you to do my homework? You made the claim, back it up

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You piggybacked on a claim that larger population countries are not as well suited to implementing public programs as small population countries

I asked for proof, you posted 10-50 page PDFs you probably haven't even read with nothing specific

How is askign you for more specific info asking you to do my homework? You made the claim, back it up

I've repeated this claim like 1,000 times on HL.

1,001 isn't new.

Then when I post a SINGLE report on the topic, you get sandy-vagina-like that I'm not holding your hand on this conversation we have ALL. THE. TIME.

So no, go read shyt i've posted BEFORE, so we don't have to repeat this shyt...AGAIN. You act like this is your first time on here.

 

[DEAD7]

No.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I've repeated this claim like 1,000 times on HL.

1,001 isn't new.

Then when I post a SINGLE report on the topic, you get sandy-vagina-like that I'm not holding your hand on this conversation we have ALL. THE. TIME.

So no, go read shyt i've posted BEFORE, so we don't have to repeat this shyt...AGAIN. You act like this is your first time on here.

Posting an unvalidated claim a thousand times doesn't make it valid, just like telling the same lie a thousand times doesn't make it truth.

And it's amazing that you have no problem typing out a false claim a thousand times, but can't bother to even read and pull specific points from links you posted to cement your point.

Again just point to the text in the links you posted that speak to your claim that bigger countries can't do public programs as well as smaller ones. I will even just take page numbers at this point.

 

[tmonster]

Ohio State
Revenues - $115,737,022
Expenses - $114,264,848

so Ohio state made about a mil from its college program? this is what you believe?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

so Ohio state made about a mil from its college program? this is what you believe?

Can you prove otherwise?