Should college education and healthcare be a constitutional right?

[Lifer11]

The generational divide stems from young people thinking money grows on trees.

Should college costs be brought significantly down? Yes.
Should student loans be disbursed more responsibly at lower interest rates? Yes.
Should financial education be more prominent in high schools, so future college students can make smarter decisions by understanding simple concepts like interest, debt and the lunacy of choosing a $30,000 a year school for a useless major over starting out at community college to get general education courses out of the way for a very affordable cost? Yes.
Should college be free for every citizen in this country as a constitutional right? No.

Where does it end? Can we extend that free school to Master's and PhD programs too?



The world hardens you, breh. Many people have radically different, more well-informed opinions based on life experience as they enter their 30s versus the idealistic early 20s.

Just saying....

Norway, Germany, Sweden, Brazil, Finland, and Slovenia among others all have absolutely no tuition for college

France charges about $400-$1000 a year, not semester

Even the UK only costs between $9000-13000 a year, again not semester

We can't expect to compete on the world stage if we don't make drastic changes immediately

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

The generational divide stems from young people thinking money grows on trees.

Should college costs be brought significantly down? Yes.
Should student loans be disbursed more responsibly at lower interest rates? Yes.
Should financial education be more prominent in high schools, so future college students can make smarter decisions by understanding simple concepts like interest, debt and the lunacy of choosing a $30,000 a year school for a useless major over starting out at community college to get general education courses out of the way for a very affordable cost? Yes.
Should college be free for every citizen in this country as a constitutional right? No.

Where does it end? Can we extend that free school to Master's and PhD programs too?



The world hardens you, breh. Many people have radically different, more well-informed opinions based on life experience as they enter their 30s versus the idealistic early 20s.

People keep saying money doesn't grow on trees, no shyt, I pay taxes, billions of which went to bailout a bunch of banks a few years ago, millions of which went to CEO's of those banks in the form of bonuses. My tax money goes to imperialistic endeavors in the middle east. We spend money on all this bullshyt and no one bats an eye. As soon as we mention free education or free healthcare now all of a sudden money doesn't grow on trees

 

[无名的]

People keep saying money doesn't grow on trees, no shyt, I pay taxes, billions of which went to bailout a bunch of banks a few years ago, millions of which went to CEO's of those banks in the form of bonuses. My tax money goes to imperialistic endeavors in the middle east. We spend money on all this bullshyt and no one bats an eye. As soon as we mention free education or free healthcare now all of a sudden money doesn't grow on trees

You're comparing things that are not yearly programs existing in perpetuity versus things that you want to be recurring programs existing in perpetuity.

Just saying....

Norway, Germany, Sweden, Brazil, Finland, and Slovenia among others all have absolutely no tuition for college

France charges about $400-$1000 a year, not semester

Even the UK only costs between $9000-13000 a year, again not semester

We can't expect to compete on the world stage if we don't make drastic changes immediately

The only country comparable in size to the US is Brazil and they aren't exactly flourishing...

Much easier to implement in a country of 2 million like Slovenia than 319 million in the US.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

You're comparing things that are not yearly programs existing in perpetuity versus things that you want to be recurring programs existing in perpetuity.



The only country comparable in size to the US is Brazil and they aren't exactly flourishing...

Much easier to implement in a country of 2 million like Slovenia than 319 million in the US.

The defense budget exists in perpetuity

 

[无名的]

The defense budget exists in perpetuity

I don't disagree the defense budget is too high, but you're never going to cut enough from defense to pay for free education and healthcare on a yearly basis. Never. So again, here is your early 20s idealism clashing with the realism of life.

What's the realistic solution to pay for what you're proposing?

And again, you didn't answer... are we paying for free Master's and PhD programs too? Free room and board? Free meals? Free books? How free is free?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Just saying....

Norway, Germany, Sweden, Brazil, Finland, and Slovenia among others all have absolutely no tuition for college

France charges about $400-$1000 a year, not semester

Even the UK only costs between $9000-13000 a year, again not semester

We can't expect to compete on the world stage if we don't make drastic changes immediately

1. Smaller countries that need the brain power
2. Higher taxes from smaller populations that spend nothing on things like defense
3. smaller numbers of schools and smaller geographic limitations


ALSO...I was watching this talk with the harvard JFK school...some of these countries are revamping their social welfare systems...they can't afford it.





The Danish PM said Bernie Sanders comments were problematic since he idealizes too much of what these "socialist" policies really take to maintain

Some of ya'll need to TALK to these people abroad. Politically, its not that easy. Theres no great answers here.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

People keep saying money doesn't grow on trees, no shyt, I pay taxes, billions of which went to bailout a bunch of banks a few years ago, millions of which went to CEO's of those banks in the form of bonuses. My tax money goes to imperialistic endeavors in the middle east. We spend money on all this bullshyt and no one bats an eye. As soon as we mention free education or free healthcare now all of a sudden money doesn't grow on trees

So defense isn't important? Securing interests abroad isn't important?

What are you saying?

One thing isn't indicative of the other.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I suggest letting the PM of Denmark tell you himself:





This is only a month old.



The Danish PM said Bernie Sanders comments were problematic since he idealizes too much of what these "socialist" policies really take to maintain

Some of ya'll need to TALK to these people abroad. Politically, its not that easy. Theres no great answers here.



(BTW, theres some interesting shyt on this channel and the brookings institute channel)

 

[Lifer11]

You're comparing things that are not yearly programs existing in perpetuity versus things that you want to be recurring programs existing in perpetuity.



The only country comparable in size to the US is Brazil and they aren't exactly flourishing...

Much easier to implement in a country of 2 million like Slovenia than 319 million in the US.

I'm not saying free, but it needs to be made significantly more affordable. There's no justification for college to cost $30-40,000 a year, especially with these major colleges making $100s of millions through their athletic programs.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'm not saying free, but it needs to be made significantly more affordable. There's no justification for college to cost $30-40,000 a year, especially with these major colleges making $100s of millions through their athletic programs.

A LOT of this is because of easy access to loans.

 

[无名的]

I'm not saying free, but it needs to be made significantly more affordable. There's no justification for college to cost $30-40,000 a year, especially with these major colleges making $100s of millions through their athletic programs.

Actually there are reasons for it. . . professors get paid a lot and colleges spend a lot of money on facilities to increased perceived value.

A 2006 study published by the Association of Higher Education Facilities Officers found that “poorly maintained or inadequate residential facilities” was the number-one reason students rejected enrolling at institutions.

People, especially millennials, are superficial, high-maintenance babies. Universities cater to this by constructing unnecessarily fancy buildings and dormitories.

When I lived in China, the dorms would have 4 bunk beds with 8 students in a 10 x 10 room with no amenities and a common bathroom with a hole in the fukking ground to take a shyt.

You think people complaining about $30,000 to $40,000 in tuition would do this?



Live at your parents. Get a job. Stop expecting the world to be handed to you. Forgo the expensive "college experience" for frugal living to get your education. Start at community college to get general education classes out of the way.



And I swear Americans are so financially clueless, it hurts.

College athletics may bring in "hundreds of millions" (more like 5 schools cracked $100 million), but they also have expenses.

Example:
Ohio State
Revenues - $115,737,022
Expenses - $114,264,848

And almost 25% of that "revenue" from Ohio State came from donations.

 

[theworldismine13]

How old are you breh? I swear to god this is a generational divide

Generational divide? lol

It's not a generational divide, you think you are the first person in history to ask this question?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

The only country comparable in size to the US is Brazil and they aren't exactly flourishing...

Much easier to implement in a country of 2 million like Slovenia than 319 million in the US.

I was with you up to this point..... what the hell does the size of a country have to do with implementing such a program? If anything larger countries would be better suited to implementing these programs as their size would enable lower per person administrative costs. This is about as much of a goofy red herring and hollow right wing talking point as the "social programs only work in culturally homogeneous societies" lie.

I agree that healthcare and higher educations shouldn't be rights.... but we can do a hell of a lot more to make them more accessible and affordable for people. But people need to stop talking about making things "free" or "rights". Nothing comes free and the govt making something a law doesn't mean it is guaranteed.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Just had another baby boomer lecture me about how college isn't a right after I said that college should be a right, he also explained to me how he paid for all his classes in advance and worked his way through community college to a 4 year anniversary, he conveniently ignored my question about how much tuition cost when he went to school

You realize that he probably didn't have to go to college, right?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I was with you up to this point..... what the hell does the size of a country have to do with implementing such a program? If anything larger countries would be better suited to implementing these programs as their size would enable lower per person administrative costs. This is about as much of a goofy red herring and hollow right wing talking point as the "social programs only work in culturally homogeneous societies" lie.

I agree that healthcare and higher educations shouldn't be rights.... but we can do a hell of a lot more to make them more accessible and affordable for people. But people need to stop talking about making things "free" or "rights". Nothing comes free and the govt making something a law doesn't mean it is guaranteed.

Size has everything to do with it.

Tax base, beaucracy, nuances, specificity of the law, etc.

Not to mention issues with geographic implementation and population density...which affect supply chains and physical access to services.

Its like asking why your local DMV in the middle of east-bumblefukk sucks.