Should *edited* cooperation and respect from a woman be conditional and if so what caliber or type of man deserves one

[Wig Twistin Season]

If your woman doesn’t voluntarily

-cook for you
-make the bed in the morning
-ask you what you need from the store
-surprise you with gifts
-does everything you want sexually
-massage you while you watch tv or fall asleep
-stroke you while you’re asleep because she wants another round

I feel for you and encourage you to keep searching.

 

[...and some waffle fries]

Women are submissive by way of culture. You are wasting your time expecting full submission from Western Women.

However respect and compliance should be the expectation no matter where she is from. Compliance>>>>submission.

 

[number21]

Its all about culture. Have a proper one and you guys will quit smashing your heads against a wall

 

[8WON6]

if you want these discussions to go better, pick a different word or phrase than "submission". Any variation of that word is just going to paint the discussion on some goofy oppression or slavery vibes.

Most dudes just be wanting a woman they can get along with, not an employee.

 

[Coco Loco]

Every man isn't a leader. The issue is a lot of men think they are solely because they are men. A smart woman won't just get up under any man, that would be stupid

 

[Phitz]

We often here women (especially black women) say they will only submit to the right man

By the way they never go into specific detail as to what qualifies as a right man, Must he meet a certin salary threshold or networth, have certain intangible qualities
be of certain height etc

So coli brehs, do you agree with this sentiment or should women be submissive to their men/husband unconditionally

Conditional?

So if your'e around a low caliber woman, are you gonna act gay or like a chic because she's low caliber?

 

[Phitz]

Submissive only means agreeable or deferring to your direction of the group or joint agenda

doesn't mean slavery like so many of you try to make it

too much of an all or nothing mindset on this board, now I remember why I stopped reading here,I need to go back to not coming here again

 

[FTBS]

It doesnt make sense to submit to everybody. A person should demonstrate regard for your well being and the ability to lead if you are gonna submit. That said, most women dont vet dudes thoroughly and submit based on his qualifications. They submit when they feel like it. Thats what muddies the waters and leaves a lot of dude confused, frustrated, or even bitter.

"I saw you submit with no hesitation to that nikka that aint shyt, aint doing shyt and aint got shyt why you giving me a hard time?"

 

[FTBS]

Every man isn't a leader. The issue is a lot of men think they are solely because they are men. A smart woman won't just get up under man, that would be stupid

This is valid. But a lot of women are looking to/expecting their man to be a leader. Its incumbent on both genders to accept the bolded and act accordingly.

 

[Diondon]

I don't need submissiveness. I need a woman who understands sound and rational decision making. My wife is not submissive by any metric, but she rarely makes a decision without my input. Sometimes she recognizes that my input is sound, and sometimes she recognizes the cracks and pushes back. I have no use for a woman that will willingly allow me to walk us into a bad position in the name of "submissiveness" or "femininity". I've seen with my very eyes a man set his family back because "He was the man" and his word was law.

I like to call it cooperation. But you have to be on point to get it
Have a plan, a vision
Also show tangible of where your vision leads
And we not cuffing dumb, gullible women either

 

[Bumblebreh]

How can submissiveness be conditional. Either your submissive or you're not. The better question is should you have a man if you can't be submissive because you're only going to destroy your own children exposing them to a home culture where the woman is being emasculating and the man is putting up with it or begging her to chill. You're basically feeding your son to the wolves and making sure your daughter is a single mother

Breh love is conditional.Very naive to think a woman is going to stick to her role if she has to work full time.

 

[LiveFromLondon]

The whole submission piece is a concept in the bible where the wife is told to submit to her husband. So inless she's your wife then no

 

[Shadow King]

You guys don’t get tired of this?

No but we doing get tired of being asked if we are...

 

[F*ckthemkids]

I like to call it cooperation. But you have to be on point to get it
Have a plan, a vision
Also show tangible of where your vision leads
And we not cuffing dumb, gullible women either

That's the part a lot of dudes miss. They think they can sit around pillow talking women, day dreaming them to death. Then when the girl gets tired of hearing your chit chat, she's the problem. A woman will follow you 100 miles, but if you ain't taking any steps, she's not going to take you seriously. It could take you 20 years to get there, and she'll be patient, so long as you're being consistent.

 

[Bumblebreh]

Men are to lead for women to submit.

If you can't walk in your headship with respect to finances, security, protection, and direction, you should not have the expectation that a woman will submit to your headship. In this respect, you're submitting to what a woman needs and she, in turn, is submitting to you. Submission is essentially reciprocal.

But the issue is there are men that cannot provide that and they are still expecting submission.The word submission is the wrong word and it is often used as means to have dominion over someone.Which is not healthy.