Should the 76ers be penalized for purposly fvcking up their roster?

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1. That doesn't help in a league where it's hard to grow in the standings overnight.

2. You'd be forcing teams to do shyt they wouldn't otherwise do for the sake of being mediocre, moves that actually prevent you from one day being really good.

If Hinkie is running a Ponzi scheme, then it's up to the owner to do something. Otherwise, you're stuck.

Actually that is exactly what a system like that would do. It would force a team like the 76ers to actually try to make trades to get real life nba players on their team...otherwise by year whatever they know they can't get a high draft pick and then they are super screwed.

The current system allows Philly to do exactly what they are doing now...get a high draft pick, if they can find some excuse to not play him...don't play him...if he shows himself to be a player of real nba talent, trade him for damn near nothing...make any type of trade that involves you getting a high draft pick...

Philly is trying to build a team of nothing but top 5 picks :russ:...when was the last time a team in the nba was able to do that :russ:...

Just a straight scumbag team really :scust: fined 3 million dollars because they didn't disclose just how bad Jrue Holliday was hurt when they traded him for draft picks :scust:
 

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The sad thing about the Sixers is that the ownership group has already doubled (tripled?) their money. Sixers were bought by a group of NYC bankers (ie: no connection with the city or team) for $280 million in 2013. In light of the Clippers recent sell that's probably a steal, sixers would probably sell for $400-500 mil minimum at this point.

Owners don't care about the team, are they ever at the games? They are piling up "assets" while keeping the salary near the league salary floor. This is looking like a straight up investment for them dudes, and nothing else.
 

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I wouldn't be against a system that allows lower playoff teams (eliminated in the first two rounds) in as well. You can just give them lower odds or just say fukk it and really make it a lottery. Such a system would benefit teams like Toronto. That said, Toronto drafted Terrance Ross over Drummond when they did have a lottery pick so...

I'm not against changes to the system, but I also think that no matter what system they use, there will be people who think it should be different. That's why it has already changed so many times and no consensus can ever be reached about it.
 

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The point guard who won rookie of the year...shipped out for pennies on the dollar....

A pick that's more than likely going to be top 5 is pennies on the dollar for Michael Carter Williams:francis:

The two guard who started showing flashes of being a real nba player...shipped out as soon as Hinkie realized he might have to pay him something more than a rookie contract or the league minimum..

You not talking about Evan Turner are you:francis:

And I like how in these threads people keep saying they need to be like the TWolves like they haven't missed the playoffs every year since 2004 and that they don't have the last 2 #1 picks on their team.
 

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23 players played for Philly two years ago and 25 played for the Sixers last year. The roster has very much been akin to a D league team and its 3 years of the same thing. The Sixers are 0-12 with a team playing worse than it has the last two seasons. There's hardly any certainty that Saric or Embiid ever plays one minute as a Sixer. Any lottery pick in 2016 will just be replacing Noel and Okafor who will bounce as soon as humanly possibly and the cycle spins. The NBA has to step in if this continues next season.
 

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They should look at what the Wolves are doing with their young players and mirror it, way too much youth and dysfunction on that team, and no real goal in mind except tank hard and take the best player available. :what:

Even with a good core of young players that still doesn't quite lead to a championship contender. If you keep acquiring young assets it might look good on paper but you end up with a squad like the Magic who can't win games with any sort of consistency


The Timberwolves haven't been to the playoffs since 2004, the Sixers were in the Conference Semifinals in 2012 and just haven't had much luck in terms of the lottery and their picks. The Timberwolves on the other hand had the #1 pick this past season, traded Kevin Love for the #1 pick Wiggins last season, Love by the way was the #5 overall pick by the Grizzlies then traded to the Wolves in 2008. Since 2006 the Wolves have drafted 6th, 7th, 3rd, 5th & 6th in 2009, 4th, 2nd, 9th, 13th (Lavine same year they traded for Wiggins), and 1st. The Sixers made the playoffs 5 times since 2004, 4 times since 2006, the Timberwolves have added 11 lottery picks in that time. When the Sixers get where they're going with this they're gona be a problem instead of just being a perennial 6-8 seed like so many teams settle for. Don't forget the Sixers will have like $50-60 million in cap space when this new TV deal kicks in.


In 2009 the Wolves also had the 18th and 28th pick, in 2010 they had the 16th and 23rd to go along with the 4th, 2011 they had the 20th as well as the 2nd, and in 2013 they also had the 26th. So since 2004 they've had 17 first rd picks and acquired another 1st overall in Wiggins.
 
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A pick that's more than likely going to be top 5 is pennies on the dollar for Michael Carter Williams:francis:



You not talking about Evan Turner are you:francis:

And I like how in these threads people keep saying they need to be like the TWolves like they haven't missed the playoffs every year since 2004 and that they don't have the last 2 #1 picks on their team.

Minnesota is making basketball moves and is trying to win. Even at their worst, they haven't been D league caliber.
 

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Actually that is exactly what a system like that would do. It would force a team like the 76ers to actually try to make trades to get real life nba players on their team...otherwise by year whatever they know they can't get a high draft pick and then they are super screwed.

The current system allows Philly to do exactly what they are doing now...get a high draft pick, if they can find some excuse to not play him...don't play him...if he shows himself to be a player of real nba talent, trade him for damn near nothing...make any type of trade that involves you getting a high draft pick...

Philly is trying to build a team of nothing but top 5 picks :russ:...when was the last time a team in the nba was able to do that :russ:...

Just a straight scumbag team really :scust: fined 3 million dollars because they didn't disclose just how bad Jrue Holliday was hurt when they traded him for draft picks :scust:
You really think the Sixers are out here thinking "man we'd love to sign him but he makes our team better so pass?" Do we not shyt on teams who seem like they're only spending money to spend money? Do we not rip teams for dumb signings? Philly for the most part has stayed away from that and you're taking it as they're not trying. Maybe they don't wanna go out and overpay someone just to overpay them.


Minnesota is making basketball moves and is trying to win. Even at their worst, they haven't been D league caliber.

Um...
 

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The Timberwolves haven't been to the playoffs since 2004, the Sixers were in the Conference Semifinals in 2012 and just haven't had much luck in terms of the lottery and their picks. The Timberwolves on the other hand had the #1 pick this past season, traded Kevin Love for the #1 pick Wiggins last season, Love by the way was the #5 overall pick by the Grizzlies then traded to the Wolves in 2008. Since 2006 the Wolves have drafted 6th, 7th, 3rd, 5th & 6th in 2009, 4th, 2nd, 9th, 13th (Lavine same year they traded for Wiggins), and 1st. The Sixers made the playoffs 5 times since 2004, 4 times since 2006, the Timberwolves have added 11 lottery picks in that time. When the Sixers get where they're going with this they're gona be a problem instead of just being a perennial 6-8 seed like so many teams settle for. Don't forget the Sixers will have like $50-60 million in cap space when this new TV deal kicks in.

Every team in the league but Cleveland and possibly the Clippers will have a ton of cap room. Who valuable with options will ever want to sign with Philly? Why will Noel/Okafor stay?
 

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Every team in the league but Cleveland and possibly the Clippers will have a ton of cap room. Who valuable with options will ever want to sign with Philly? Why will Noel/Okafor stay?

Noel and Okafor will still be on their rookie deals at that point, and no one in the league will have anywhere near the cap space they'll have and as for who would wana sign with them that's why they need to acquire as many lottery picks as possible, no one will want to sign there unless they're already a contender or at least have the potential to be a 4 or 5 seed, then they'll be able to add 2-3 max guys on top of that and keep all their draft picks cause of Bird rights. If they play these next couple seasons right and finally get some luck on their side they can build something really special.
 

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The Sixers should be like the Wolves

Sure they haven't made the playoffs in 11 years

Sure they traded Kevin Garnett for young players, traded Al Jefferson for draft picks, traded Kevin Love for draft picks and currently have 5 recent lotto picks on the team and are still under .500, the Sixers need to be like them.
 
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