Should the 76ers be penalized for purposly fvcking up their roster?
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tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
Every single team that isn't sniffing a championship and isn't sniffing the likes of Towns or Okafor or Porzingis. Now we gonna act like the treadmill isn't a thing?
at the bolded. Obviously it has to be in the right year and you have to pick the right player, but to act as if getting high draft picks isn't beneficial is just silly. Otherwise teams wouldn't protect them.
If teams draft bum ass players it's on them. Bum ass players get drafted high all the time anyway. Teams already ask their young superstars to carry them. In the scenario I am suggesting, these players would actually have help from the gate and thusly wouldn't be asked to carry their team.
I'd trade Towns for A playoff appearance. Not a bunch of them. Just one. The treadmill sucks if you have title aspirations. If the ring ain't everything, it's like watching the mid major hope for an NCAA Tournament invite. Philly and New York have different goals, which is why I don't see losing as an option long term for Philly.
You're not getting my point at all. If I suck and all I have is LaVine, when I lose 65-68 games, I'm stuck with a shyt pick and guess what? I'll still draft another LaVine hoping Kobe pops up. You're just gonna swing for the fences every time because building around nobody doesn't work. Since I can't sign them, I can't trade for them (since the asset of my draft is now depreciated) I'm left throwing darts at a board. All while that's happening, your team loses, whoever you have will want out, you lose money and you'll lose your job. Again you only have so much to gain by losing. Even Hinkie will need to show results soon.
Bilz
Superstar
I think it still creates the situation where a team that is honestly trying gets nothing while a team who manipulates the system gets the pick. It also asserts that all playoff teams already have what they need while all non playoff teams have an equal need for help. There is no perfect system in my opinion. There's no way to make everything fair. Toronto is really good but they are limited in free agency because they play in Toronto. They can't get a high pick because they're already good. What can be done? What if a big market team barely drops out of the playoffs and then they're getting the #1 pick and top free agents. I don't know
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
That at least we tried shyt doesn't fly in many places. shyt, the worst team in basketball over the last 10 years tried. What did it get them? A worse record than the team you're criticizing.
You can look like you're trying and still do stupid shyt.
You aren't getting my point though. You may have a shyt pick or you may have the top pick. Whether you lose 68 or 40 you have the same opportunities. Therefore teams have every incentive to make all the lowkey moves they can to be competitive because that extra consideration for just plain sucking is gone. It's not hard to put a decent team out there. Swinging for the fences is the exactly the issue. Teams focused on hitting that HR in the draft and aren't just organically building a squad.
I think it still creates the situation where a team that is honestly trying gets nothing while a team who manipulates the system gets the pick. It also asserts that all playoff teams already have what they need while all non playoff teams have an equal need for help. There is no perfect system in my opinion. There's no way to make everything fair. Toronto is really good but they are limited in free agency because they play in Toronto. They can't get a high pick because they're already good. What can be done? What if a big market team barely drops out of the playoffs and then they're getting the #1 pick and top free agents. I don't know
I wouldn't be against a system that allows lower playoff teams (eliminated in the first two rounds) in as well. You can just give them lower odds or just say fukk it and really make it a lottery. Such a system would benefit teams like Toronto. That said, Toronto drafted Terrance Ross over Drummond when they did have a lottery pick so...
Who said this? My only point was that tanking a week >>>>>> than tanking an entire season. Some people who try are actually smart and will make the best of opportunities that are provided to them. Nothing wrong with them getting a chance at top talent.
All that matters is getting the players, just two seasons ago the Bucks were 15-67 and the Celtics were 25-57, once you have the players you can find coaches that are willing to come in and change that culture
Swamp-Thing
Avatar of the Green
Brett Brown is one of the best coaches in the NBA.
Cleveland got a plan to win the east and that's all. They weren't good until LeBron made them a welfare case and returned, that was after the NBA made them a welfare case and gave them like 3 other #1 overall picks that they botched. How much help can you get and still fail to capture the championship? That organization is an embarrassment, especially when they bad mouthed LeBron the first time he left.
Philly works for everything we got, the NBA fixes the lottery against us and it still backfires when teams like LA overthink and hand us Okafor (Thanks!). Don't bring me that bullshyt like Cleveland has a plan, they are an abhorrent organization from a managerial standpoint; just like the Knicks. That's what this thread is really about!!
Cavs should have Andrew Wiggins and Nerlens Noel (Not too mention either Kawhi or Klay). They got 2 aging stars in LeBron and Love and a bunch of role players, with a terrible coach. They have no plan to win it all unless LeBron can do it all for them, and the only reason that's a possibility is because he blessed them for being his hometown team.
/rant
Just saying, give us those #1 overall picks in that bullshyt fixed lottery and see how quick the rebuild happens. We should have gotten Wiggins.
Cleveland got a plan to win the east and that's all. They weren't good until LeBron made them a welfare case and returned, that was after the NBA made them a welfare case and gave them like 3 other #1 overall picks that they botched. How much help can you get and still fail to capture the championship? That organization is an embarrassment, especially when they bad mouthed LeBron the first time he left.
Philly works for everything we got, the NBA fixes the lottery against us and it still backfires when teams like LA overthink and hand us Okafor (Thanks!). Don't bring me that bullshyt like Cleveland has a plan, they are an abhorrent organization from a managerial standpoint; just like the Knicks. That's what this thread is really about!!
Cavs should have Andrew Wiggins and Nerlens Noel (Not too mention either Kawhi or Klay). They got 2 aging stars in LeBron and Love and a bunch of role players, with a terrible coach. They have no plan to win it all unless LeBron can do it all for them, and the only reason that's a possibility is because he blessed them for being his hometown team.
/rant
Just saying, give us those #1 overall picks in that bullshyt fixed lottery and see how quick the rebuild happens. We should have gotten Wiggins.
MarloStanTrill
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CashmereThoughts
Veteran
nope. they haven't violated any rules so what would be the bases of the penalty?You can't keep rewarding a franchise that doesn't even try to win. The makes moves and transactions with a built in pathway to the next draft lottery and an excuse for losing.
The NBA needs to look into this. I ripped Minnesota for constantly fukking up but at least they're trying to win. The Bucks are trying to win. Philly is just trying to build a team of all lottery players. Even if Embid comes back I don't see him and Okafor and Noel all on the floor at the same time. I don't know how the GM talked the owner into buying into whatever his plan is but this needs to stop.
you cant create a system and then penalizing a participant for playing by the rules of your system
duckbutta
eienaar van mans
All that matters is getting the players, just two seasons ago the Bucks were 15-67 and the Celtics were 25-57, once you have the players you can find coaches that are willing to come in and change that culture
The celtics have a top 3 coach in the NBA in brad stevens...the 76ers do not...The celtics have GM in Danny Ainge who usually wins whatever trade he does and if he doesn't win the trade he doesn't lose it by much...as soon as a player shows he can play Hinkie trades him for pennies on the dollar...
The bucks were mediocre for a good while so they at least have a recent history of just not being flat out horrible... before that 15 win season there were some 35 - 40 win seasons and some playoff births...they also have Jason Kidd who has proven himself to if not be an upper echelon coach, to be somebody who can get more out of a team than the some of it's parts, like what he did in Brooklyn and what he did in Milwaukee lass year
The problem with the 76ers is that they do not have any veterans players on that team who have ever been used to winning or having any real type of success, so there is not a veteran player there to teach say Noel and Okafor how to handle losing damn near every single night...how to handle the media...how to deal with fans...pretty much how to do everything in the nba that does not involve a basketball...
Coaching staff is the same way...all that staff has done is lose lose lose...which one of the coaches on the staff is going to start drawing up some actual winning plays during a tight game down the stretch? Which coach on this staff is going to set a real nba rotation based on situations because when i watch sixers games i see random guys out there at random times...Wroten is a terrible 3 point shooter but I seen more than a fair share of 76ers games in the last few years with him launching deep 3's with them down 8 with 4 minutes left...
Unless they get some veteran players in their who know how to win basketball games and unless they get a coaching staff in their that knows how to win basketball games then what will happen is that when the 76ers get a player they want to keep they will pick up the options on his rookie contract and the second the player can leave he will leave...the cap is going through the roof so much that the extra money one can get from the team he is on is starting to mean less to players...AND teams have already shown that they will sign a player to a poison pill contract...so Lin...see Parsons...so what Portland forced OKC to do...
You think Mark Cuban won't try and sign Noel to some weird ass 3 year 61 million dollar deal if to do nothing else but first the 76ers hand? He's done it to a team damn near every year
Simple:
Make a rule that says any team that's within bottom 7 in terms of worst record in the league 4 years in a row has to pay a $10M fine and also not eligible for lottery pick the next 2 years
Edit: and the fans that keep forking their money over to that franchise should be penalized too somehow
Make a rule that says any team that's within bottom 7 in terms of worst record in the league 4 years in a row has to pay a $10M fine and also not eligible for lottery pick the next 2 years
Edit: and the fans that keep forking their money over to that franchise should be penalized too somehow
duckbutta
eienaar van mans
Brett Brown is one of the best coaches in the NBA.
Cleveland got a plan to win the east and that's all. They weren't good until LeBron made them a welfare case and returned, that was after the NBA made them a welfare case and gave them like 3 other #1 overall picks that they botched. How much help can you get and still fail to capture the championship? That organization is an embarrassment, especially when they bad mouthed LeBron the first time he left.
Philly works for everything we got, the NBA fixes the lottery against us and it still backfires when teams like LA overthink and hand us Okafor (Thanks!). Don't bring me that bullshyt like Cleveland has a plan, they are an abhorrent organization from a managerial standpoint; just like the Knicks. That's what this thread is really about!!
Cavs should have Andrew Wiggins and Nerlens Noel (Not too mention either Kawhi or Klay). They got 2 aging stars in LeBron and Love and a bunch of role players, with a terrible coach. They have no plan to win it all unless LeBron can do it all for them, and the only reason that's a possibility is because he blessed them for being his hometown team.
/rant
Just saying, give us those #1 overall picks in that bullshyt fixed lottery and see how quick the rebuild happens. We should have gotten Wiggins.
So what is the 76ers plan?
The point guard who won rookie of the year...shipped out for pennies on the dollar...
The two guard who started showing flashes of being a real nba player...shipped out as soon as Hinkie realized he might have to pay him something more than a rookie contract or the league minimum...
Joel Embiid...hurt and hasn't played at all...
2 guys who showed they could at lease legit play nba level basketball...gone for next to nothing...one guy who is supposed to be your corner stone...don't even know if he will ever be healthy enough to play let alone play well...so what exactly is the plan here?
In this years draft what are the 76ers going to do that will move them forward in winning basketball games...if you are telling me that they will have a high draft pick I will say "well yeah they did the last two years and that didn't help them win games and then they turned around and traded some of those guys"
duckbutta
eienaar van mans
Yeah there needs to be something to this effect. Their needs to be something that says their is a maximum number of times you can have a bottom tier record AND get a top tier pick. After that time expires you are not allowed to ever pick in the top blah blah blah until you win blah blah blah games...
I don't get how people don't get that Hinkie is pretty much running a ponzi scheme with this team
I say fine their assess. NBA owners care about losing money.
I say if you are bottom tier 4 years in a row you lose the next 2 draft picks and pay a fine and have to refund people with season tickets. Maybe that last one is excessive but you see where I'm going with this. They have to somehow pay the fans back.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
1. That doesn't help in a league where it's hard to grow in the standings overnight.
2. You'd be forcing teams to do shyt they wouldn't otherwise do for the sake of being mediocre, moves that actually prevent you from one day being really good.
If Hinkie is running a Ponzi scheme, then it's up to the owner to do something. Otherwise, you're stuck.