Siakam or Tatum

[Patrick Kane]

Siakam was averaging 25 ppg before the injury almost 50% field goal pct. and had tge raptors hovering around the 3rd or 4th spot when he went down the raptors struggled still had a winning pct. but struggled.

To say he is just a hustle player is inaccurate. He is not a generational talent like Giannis but he isnt a "hustle" guy plus he is developing an outside shot and can become an elite defender. The leap is scary for someone who has played basketball as late as he did in life. Being the bestvplayer in a title contending team does not equal a "hustle" guy

Lol the man said “hustle player with improved shot”

A lot of nikkas on the Coli don’t actually watch ball and you see it with wildly inaccurate statements like that. Just sounds absolutely foolish.

Siakim at this point IS a better offensive player than Tatum. He has much more in his offensive arsenal and displayed it at the highest level in the playoffs/finals last year with tons of pressure on him. Not to mention, he’s a much better defensive player and still has that “hustle” mentality. Underrated passer and good ball handler. Can run the floor and devastate teams in the open court. It’s really not even close

Tatum has a pretty looking game but it hasn’t proven to be impactful in anyway yet. He is still younger and will improve tho but Siakam is by far the superior player.

 

[Art Barr]

siakam


rather easily.
as siakam gets it, on a trajectory faster than most will give him actual credit for.

art barr

 

[Frangala]

Lol the man said “hustle player with improved shot”

A lot of nikkas on the Coli don’t actually watch ball and you see it with wildly inaccurate statements like that. Just sounds absolutely foolish.

Siakim at this point IS a better offensive player than Tatum. He has much more in his offensive arsenal and displayed it at the highest level in the playoffs/finals last year with tons of pressure on him. Not to mention, he’s a much better defensive player and still has that “hustle” mentality. Underrated passer and good ball handler. Can run the floor and devastate teams in the open court. It’s really not even close

Tatum has a pretty looking game but it hasn’t proven to be impactful in anyway yet. He is still younger and will improve tho but Siakam is by far the superior player.

I think dudes have gotten used to dismiss Toronto like the American media has had the habit to do and dont actually watch the games. They are used to the same narrative of Toronto playing well in the regular season then imploding in the playoffs (even last year with Kawhi ppl were still on that narrative i remember posting on here prior to the championship run how Toronto might be the most disrepected team in the league the whole of last year).

Pascal has surpassed Tatum and its not even close. He is not Giannis and probably will never be but he is just a better player at this point. He runs the floor well like ypu saod his three point shot is improving and again he was averaging 25 ppg prior to tge injury at almost 50% from the field. Those aint "hustle" guy stats.

 

[Raquinotj]

I think dudes have gotten used to dismiss Toronto like the American media has had the habit to do and dont actually watch the games. They are used to the same narrative of Toronto playing well in the regular season then imploding in the playoffs (even last year with Kawhi ppl were still on that narrative i remember posting on here prior to the championship run how Toronto might be the most disrepected team in the league the whole of last year).

Pascal has surpassed Tatum and its not even close. He is not Giannis and probably will never be but he is just a better player at this point. He runs the floor well like ypu saod his three point shot is improving and again he was averaging 25 ppg prior to tge injury at almost 50% from the field. Those aint "hustle" guy stats.

Numbers are not that Far off. Lol.
Siakam 23.6 ppg, 7.6 Reb 3.4 Assists 45/35/80
Tatum 22.2 ppg, 6.9 Reb 2.9 Assists 44/39/84

Tatum at 21 years old averages more blocks, steals, PER, less TO’s and fouls AND better defense with a better net rating, Siakam 4 years older. Ain’t you the same dude who said OG Anunobi was better than Tatum?

 

[Frangala]

Numbers are not that Far off. Lol.
Siakam 23.6 ppg, 7.6 Reb 3.4 Assists 45/35/80
Tatum 22.2 ppg, 6.9 Reb 2.9 Assists 44/39/84

Tatum at 21 years old averages more blocks, steals, PER, less TO’s and fouls AND better defense with a better net rating, Siakam 4 years older. Ain’t you the same dude who said OG Anunobi was better than Tatum?

Siakam was also 15 games out and the best player of the third best team in basketball right now (current 15 game win streak)

Siakam is 4 years older yes but picked up basketball later in life compared to his peers. His growth has been exponential and was not a heralded blue blood college player like Tatum (Duke). You can argue that Tatum is older (i.e in terms of basketball terms) meaning playing basketball longer than Siakam.

Secondly, I said OG WILL BE (future tense) better than Tatum.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

Siakam was also 15 games out and the best player of the third best team in basketball right now (current 15 game win streak)

Siakam is 4 years older yes but picked up basketball later in life compared to his peers. His growth has been exponential and was not a heralded blue blood college player like Tatum (Duke). You can argue that Tatum is older (i.e in terms of basketball terms) meaning playing basketball longer than Siakam.

Secondly, I said OG WILL BE (future tense) better than Tatum.

Canadians

 

[Frangala]

Canadians

Not Canadian I just watch basketball and dont absorb whatever ESPN is telling me.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

Not Canadian I just watch basketball and dont absorb whatever ESPN is telling me.

Yeah your analysis is an improvement

Claiming a player 4yrs older with significantly less bball experience

Is better than a player 4yrs younger puttiin up the same #s is the lesser player..

 

[Frangala]

Yeah your analysis is an improvement

Claiming a player 4yrs older with significantly less bball experience

Is better than a player 4yrs younger puttiin up the same #s is the lesser player..

How about siakam was the second best player of a championship team and played an integral part of that team throughout the playoff run. That has to count for something right? When was the last time Tatum was in the finals or contributed in a significant manner of his team's push to the Finals.

You have cats on this board who called Siakam a "hustle guy" just to prop up Tatum as some type of generational talent. A lot of ppl on this board dont watch basketball and quick to dismiss any type of non popular objective take such as toronto has a legit shot at the finals as somehow being "Canadian".

You had dudes out here actually saying Bradley Beal should take Lowry's spot for the all star lol. Straight jokes. Wizards is all time worst defense status

 

[ROFL_GUY]

How about siakam was the second best player of a championship team and played an integral part of that team throughout the playoff run. That has to count for something right? When was the last time Tatum was in the finals?

Siakam is a better player today and has proven that. His leap this year is a testament to his greatness. He is a special player. Top 15. Better than Tatum today..

But Tatum @21 is near equal to siakam so who knows what his game will develop into when he's siakam current age @25..

 

[No Homo]

Siakim

It feels like people are trying to "force" themselves to make Tatum to be better than he is

Exactly how I've always felt about Tatum.

 

[Raquinotj]

Siakam was also 15 games out and the best player of the third best team in basketball right now (current 15 game win streak)

Siakam is 4 years older yes but picked up basketball later in life compared to his peers. His growth has been exponential and was not a heralded blue blood college player like Tatum (Duke). You can argue that Tatum is older (i.e in terms of basketball terms) meaning playing basketball longer than Siakam.

Secondly, I said OG WILL BE (future tense) better than Tatum.

That’s probably the dumbest statement I’ve ever heard. 4 years is 4 years no matter how you wanna slice it. It doesn’t matter when Siakam picked up a Basketball. So you telling Siakams prime is delayed 4 years because he picked up a basketball at a later age?


And what’s makes you think OG will be better than Tatum? Tatum is a year Younger and is already better at EVERYTHING. OG is a starter playing 30 minutes per game, averaging 10 points per game, 5 Boards and under 2 assists, way under Tatum’s production with about the same playing time. Its not like he’s some back of the bench project.

 

[UpAndComing]

Siakam was also 15 games out and the best player of the third best team in basketball right now (current 15 game win streak)

Siakam is 4 years older yes but picked up basketball later in life compared to his peers. His growth has been exponential and was not a heralded blue blood college player like Tatum (Duke). You can argue that Tatum is older (i.e in terms of basketball terms) meaning playing basketball longer than Siakam.

Secondly, I said OG WILL BE (future tense) better than Tatum.

Not sure you understand statistics. Playing less games actually helps your averages

 

[Frangala]

Not sure you understand statistics. Playing less games actually helps your averages

In the case of Siakam he was averaging above 25 ppg and in a roll since he has come back he has averaged less than 20 ppg hence decreasing his overall seasonal average. Its not a problem of a smaller sample size (number of games but that the injury slowed him down, post injury he has average less and shot a lesser percentage hence overall having an adverse effect on his stats pre-injury.

 

[UpAndComing]

In the case of Siakam he was averaging above 25 ppg and in a roll since he has come back he has averaged less than 20 ppg hence decreasing his overall seasonal average. Its not a problem of a smaller sample size (number of games but that the injury slowed him down, post injury he has average less and shot a lesser percentage hence overall having an adverse effect on his stats pre-injury.

Exactly, thank you for proving my point