SI's Best Player Alive...

[murksiderock]

Once again feel how you want to feel but the way you frame your points will always be why it’s really hard to take you serious.

I guess it's a good thing I'm not waiting for your approval with baited breath lol...

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

I guess it's a good thing I'm not waiting for your approval with baited breath lol...

I actually checked out game 5 the other day. The Dubs were cooking! KD couldn’t miss and neither could anyone else. How much were they up by when KD got hurt?

5...top of the 2nd quarter

Kobe shouldn’t be penalized for Bron failing to show up to the party in 09/10. Kawhi shouldn’t be penalized for Bron not bothering to show up to the playoffs. The world revolves around no man. The show must go on

If you say you’re going to do something in life people are going to hold you to it. Playoff mode activated means what to you exactly?

 

[KingJay]

This list is garbage
Nash in 05? Regardless of your MVP opinions, MVP =/= best player alive. Same with Dirk in 07 who couldn't beat the 42 win Warriors in the 1st round
Steph being better than LeBron in 2016 is and the Finals proved that. They're putting too much weight into the regular season. Down 3-1 LeBron proceeded to average 36/12/10/3/3 with only 2.7topg on 51/42/73 splits
Meanwhile with a 3-1 lead, Steph proceeded to average 24/5/2 on 37/36/93 splits lookin all the sudden
Hell, Steph aint score more than 20 once in the first three games of that series

 

[murksiderock]

I actually checked out game 5 the other day. The Dubs were cooking! KD couldn’t miss and neither could anyone else. How much were they up by when KD got hurt?

5...top of the 2nd quarter

Kobe shouldn’t be penalized for Bron failing to show up to the party in 09/10. Kawhi shouldn’t be penalized for Bron not bothering to show up to the playoffs. The world revolves around no man. The show must go on

If you say you’re going to do something in life people are going to hold you to it. Playoff mode activated means what to you exactly?

Bro you're starting to ramble, I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make...

All the evidence was on deck going into The Finals that Durant is the superior player to Kawhi. When he stepped on the floor for the equivalent of a quarter, the entire gravity was different, anybody watching could feel it. That's more to what I'm getting at, Durant's presence alone minimized Kawhi. KD was heating it up and it validated that those two guys aren't of the same magnitude when they are both on the floor...

A better argument for what it sounds like you're trying to do, would be pointing out Kawhi in the '17 WCF G1, but while Kawhi was having his way, his presence didn't minimize Durant...

I only brought up LeBron within the context of, anytime he's been on the floor with Kawhi, he's been the superior player, save for the Clipper games this year. Kobe isn't getting penalized for '09 or '10 because Bron wasn't hurt, so you're correlating something that you've never seen me say...

And Kawhi isn't getting "penalized", it ain't like the championship doesn't count, and I've never once said it didn't. But in a conversation asking if he was the best basketball player last season, you can't answer yes without adding the two closest guys to him, that most people besides maybe you acknowledge as better players lol, those two guys were not in the race with him due to injury. So he has '19 by default, but it's not as if he beat those guys H2H or maintained a level of play above those guys from tipoff '18 to finish...

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Bro you're starting to ramble, I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make...

All the evidence was on deck going into The Finals that Durant is the superior player to Kawhi. When he stepped on the floor for the equivalent of a quarter, the entire gravity was different, anybody watching could feel it. That's more to what I'm getting at, Durant's presence alone minimized Kawhi. KD was heating it up and it validated that those two guys aren't of the same magnitude when they are both on the floor...

A better argument for what it sounds like you're trying to do, would be pointing out Kawhi in the '17 WCF G1, but while Kawhi was having his way, his presence didn't minimize Durant...

I only brought up LeBron within the context of, anytime he's been on the floor with Kawhi, he's been the superior player, save for the Clipper games this year. Kobe isn't getting penalized for '09 or '10 because Bron wasn't hurt, so you're correlating something that you've never seen me say...

And Kawhi isn't getting "penalized", it ain't like the championship doesn't count, and I've never once said it didn't. But in a conversation asking if he was the best basketball player last season, you can't answer yes without adding the two closest guys to him, that most people besides maybe you acknowledge as better players lol, those two guys were not in the race with him due to injury. So he has '19 by default, but it's not as if he beat those guys H2H or maintained a level of play above those guys from tipoff '18 to finish...

No ramble. I specifically addressed the points you made. Isn’t my fault it doesn’t sit well with you

 

[murksiderock]

This list is garbage
Nash in 05? Regardless of your MVP opinions, MVP =/= best player alive. Same with Dirk in 07 who couldn't beat the 42 win Warriors in the 1st round
Steph being better than LeBron in 2016 is and the Finals proved that. They're putting too much weight into the regular season. Down 3-1 LeBron proceeded to average 36/12/10/3/3 with only 2.7topg on 51/42/73 splits
Meanwhile with a 3-1 lead, Steph proceeded to average 24/5/2 on 37/36/93 splits lookin all the sudden
Hell, Steph aint score more than 20 once in the first three games of that series

For sure they're putting a lot of weight on regular season...

MVP doesn't equal best player the same way winning a title doesn't automatically make you the best player, if it was like that Chauncey Billups was the best player in '04, Tony Parker was the best player in '07, etc, but only for Kawhi has managed to create this narrative that regardless of ANYTHING else, if you win the title and/or FMVP you were better than every other player that year...

Let me stick up for Dirk here though, I don't think there was ever a sustained period he was better than Duncan or Kobe, but he has way more of a case than Nash. Steve Nash was never anything other than the best point guard for a stretch. Dirk's two year run 2005-06 thru 2006-07 was legendary, he choked in the '07 playoffs but he absolutely has more of a claim to that season than Nash in any season...

I still say '07 was Duncan/Bean split...

And shout out to SI for rightfully showing love to Dwight, who this board swears was never a Top 3 player lmao...

 

[murksiderock]

No ramble. I specifically addressed the points you made. Isn’t my fault it doesn’t sit well with you

Blah blah...what are your thoughts on the 80s, 90s lists, old head?

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Blah blah...what are your thoughts on the 80s, 90s lists, old head?

In the 90s I was too busy fantasizing about these two to pay attention

 

[murksiderock]

In the 90s I was too busy fantasizing about these two to pay attention

Let me find out you younger than me, and damn even your 90s crushes are wack hahaha...

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Let me find out you younger than me, and damn even your 90s crushes are wack hahaha...

nikka said Lisa Turtle was wack

 

[ISO]

Just some things I have slight argument with, though again I find it mostly accurate:

•I notice an inconsistency in conflating "best player" with best season. Understanding this is subjective, they called CP3 the best player in the world in '08, and Nash in '05, and all respect to both, they were never the best in the game. That jumps out to me...

•I disagree with KG in '04. He was never the best player alive, '04 was his GOAT year but I don't recall anyone believing he was the best player overall. In retrospect, I think by the end of their run Kobe was the best player on the Lakers, and even amid KG's MVP year, I remember constant debate in real time whether he measured up to Duncan. '04 should be either Duncan or Kobe...

What case does Kobe have over Garnett in ‘04?

He averaged 24/5/5 it was one of his least efficient seasons 44/32/85 splits. He played poorly in the Finals in a loss.

He straight up did not have a better year than Garnett and did not impact the game as much as a two-way beast like peak KG.

Kobe’s aesthetic game, accolades to that point, and popularity may have had him as the best player especially to casual fans. But he has no case over KG who had an All-Time great big man season.

KG is underrated from playing with trash supporting casts in Minnesota.

 

[Boonapalist]

Malone number 1 in 99. I don’t care if he won MVP, I think Duncan was better especially if the post season is included in these rankings. After a slow start he led the Spurs on a tear in the regular season and than they went 15-2 in the PO with him not faltering like Malone did.

 

[murksiderock]

nikka said Lisa Turtle was wack

She was cool and I liked her too but Reagan Gomez was better, that was my thing back then...

You a dub for posting Lisa's white friend tho lmao...

What case does Kobe have over Garnett in ‘04?

He averaged 24/5/5 it was one of his least efficient seasons 44/32/85 splits. He played poorly in the Finals in a loss.

He straight up did not have a better year than Garnett and did not impact the game as much as a two-way beast like peak KG.

Kobe’s aesthetic game, accolades to that point, and popularity may have had him as the best player especially to casual fans. But he has no case over KG who had an All-Time great big man season.

KG is underrated from playing with trash supporting casts in Minnesota.

Well I guess I'm going more off memory than anything. That '04 year was basically Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, and KG in any order, I just don't recall KG being viewed as the best player alive. He was in the conversation...

I don't disagree with your points, really most of the 00s didn't have a definitive single best player, there was always 2-3 guys with equal claim to it. Kobe was always more popular and flashy than Garnett so maybe that's why at that time we had his name in the hat, plus that was the height of the Kobe/Shaq beef and that last year together was when the "who is better/whose team?" thing was nonstop with basketball media...

 

[xXMASHERXx]

For sure they're putting a lot of weight on regular season...

MVP doesn't equal best player the same way winning a title doesn't automatically make you the best player, if it was like that Chauncey Billups was the best player in '04, Tony Parker was the best player in '07, etc, but only for Kawhi has managed to create this narrative that regardless of ANYTHING else, if you win the title and/or FMVP you were better than every other player that year...

Let me stick up for Dirk here though, I don't think there was ever a sustained period he was better than Duncan or Kobe, but he has way more of a case than Nash. Steve Nash was never anything other than the best point guard for a stretch. Dirk's two year run 2005-06 thru 2006-07 was legendary, he choked in the '07 playoffs but he absolutely has more of a claim to that season than Nash in any season...

I still say '07 was Duncan/Bean split...

And shout out to SI for rightfully showing love to Dwight, who this board swears was never a Top 3 player lmao...

What are you using to rank players? It seems almost as bad as SI's.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

She was cool and I liked her too but Reagan Gomez was better, that was my thing back then...

You a dub for posting Lisa's white friend tho lmao...

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