Slaves were NOT taken from Africa!!!

[QuintessentialBM]

Exactly..Gomez proves in the book I mentioned everything you posted. Central Africa and South Africa contributed heavily to the African slave population on the transatlantic slave trade, not just the West African dominant theory...whites took specific Africans that specialized in particular economic processes;

Well, the Portuguese and Spanish took the majority of their slaves from central Africa. The Portuguese were the ones that came up with the idea to use blacks as slaves and even sold Spain their first for their voyage to the Americas. I don't think people who do their diligence to research the history of the trade think that most of the slaves came from west Africa.

 

[LionofJudah]

I'll answer this..... 3 things......

Access & proximity... Should be self-explanatory.

Money & goods.... Slaves were traded for mostly money and guns. You think that the tribes that were trading would give that up?

Fear of subjugation and/or annihilation.... Some tribes had a change of heart after the fact but the damage was done. After the lies wouldn't work anymore and Africans figured out what was going on, those tribes were threaten with the same weapons they were trading to obtain. I would surmise to say that the Europeans and slave trading tribes started kidnapping people from other tribes.

So you ascribe to the notion that Africans sold other Africans? I don't believe this is true for one simple reason. Someone invading isn't going to negotiate with the people they are coming to conquer. Why would they? They are all subject to be taken, so why would the white man negotiate with some, and steal the rest? Doesn't make sense especially when you add in the fact that since Africans are native to that land, they are able to navigate the terrain much better than someone who had never been there before. Not to mention, the slave trade lasting 300+ years shows that if indeed Africans were selling each other, it wasn't just certain tribes. It was a coordinated effort between essentially all Africans.

 

[LionofJudah]

Exactly..Gomez proves in the book I mentioned everything you posted. Central Africa and South Africa contributed heavily to the African slave population on the transatlantic slave trade, not just the West African dominant theory...whites took specific Africans that specialized in particular economic processes;

So you subscribe to the Africans selling Africans also? I ask that because I seriously doubt the whites had time to figure out most of the people's trades/skills.

 

[QuintessentialBM]

So you ascribe the to the notion that Africans sold other Africans? I don't believe this is true for one simple reason. Someone invading isn't going to negotiate with the people they are coming to conquer. Why would they? They are all subject to be taken, so why would the white man negotiate with some, and steal the rest? Doesn't make sense especially when you add in the fact that since Africans are native to that land, they are able to navigate the terrain much better than someone who had never been there before. Not to mention, the slave trade lasting 300+ years shows that if indeed Africans were selling each other, it wasn't just certain tribes. It was a coordinated effort between essentially all Africans.

I'm not absolving the Europeans of any wrong-doing..... They played the game well(for a lack of a better explanation)

 

[LionofJudah]

I'm not absolving the Europeans of any wrong-doing..... They played the game well(for a lack of a better explanation)

I'm not saying you are, I'm just saying the whole Africans sold Africans theory doesn't really make sense.

 

[kp404]

So you subscribe to the Africans selling Africans also? I ask that because I seriously doubt the whites had time to figure out most of the people's trades/skills.

They didn't figure out specific skills...there were specific areas of the African continent that had particular economic actvities...whatever a colony needed for their economic activity, they went to that part of Africa to find workers

 

[QuintessentialBM]

I'm not saying you are, I'm just saying the whole Africans sold Africans theory doesn't really make sense.

Europeans took advantage of Africans not being able to communicate in European languages, tribalism between warring tribes and capitalism.... That makes plenty of sense.

 

[LionofJudah]

They didn't figure out specific skills...there were specific areas of the African continent that had particular economic actvities...whatever a colony needed for their economic activity, they went to that part of Africa to find workers

Interesting, never heard that before.

 

[kp404]

Interesting, never heard that before.

Really? its in John blassingame's the slave community and Gomez's book which like I said earlier is considered the classic work today on Africa and the slave trade to North America...you should really check it out

 

[LionofJudah]

Europeans took advantage of Africans not being able to communicate in European languages, tribalism between warring tribes and capitalism.... That makes plenty of sense.

Nah, not really. So they were able to communicate with tribal leaders and others and what not to trade for slaves, but the people who would later go into slavery had no idea what was going on? As rich as Africa is in resources, I really can't imagine too much Africans would need from foreigners. Not sure if that's what you're saying, but that's what I got from your post.

 

[LionofJudah]

Really? its in John blassingame's the slave community and Gomez's book which like I said earlier is considered the classic work today on Africa and the slave trade to North America...you should really check it out

I might do that, thanks.

 

[kp404]

I might do that, thanks.

For real dude's research is absolutely phenomenal...easily one of my favorite works

 

[LionofJudah]

For real dude's research is absolutely phenomenal...easily one of my favorite works

I'm going to see if I can locate it. I got so many books laying around now that I haven't got a chance to finish/read LOL.

 

[kp404]

I'm going to see if I can locate it. I got so many books laying around now that I haven't got a chance to finish/read LOL.

They got it on amazon for $8.00. what's surprising is that I didn't realize how well received the book is in the social sciences...dude takes a true sociological and historical look at how Africans arrived in North America and identified themselves based on their African ethnicity, not as "African." They don't develop the "African American" identity until the 1830s when they are far removed from the slave trade...before that, Angolans identified themselves that way, Igbos recognized themselves as that, etc...its a really insightful examination and refutes many white supremacist histories regarding our ancestors

 

[LionofJudah]

They got it on amazon for $8.00. what's surprising is that I didn't realize how well received the book is in the social sciences...dude takes a true sociological and historical look at how Africans arrived in North America and identified themselves based on their African ethnicity, not as "African." They don't develop the "African American" identity until the 1830s when they are far removed from the slave trade...before that, Angolans identified themselves that way, Igbos recognized themselves as that, etc...its a really insightful examination and refutes many white supremacist histories regarding our ancestors

Thanks, I think have some Amazon credit also. Glad it's cheap...some people on Amazon be cutting off heads with the prices of the books on there. Have you ever read The Destruction of Black Civilazation by Chancellor Williams? I've had this book for a minute and still haven't read it.