SMH Everyone beatmakers nowadays

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

Isnt that a good thing?

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

I respect the in house producers who actually take the time to learn the fundamentals of production. But you got dudes who download the software or buy a maschine now they tell everyone they producers. Its too gimmicky for me and there's a market for these people. Do you realize more money is made nowadays off equipment than actual music that is being produced.

Nah. Music is in high demand and always will be. There are plenty of placement opportunity available in commercials, at stores, for video games, at basketball games etc. Also, what you have said about producers in regards to the influx also applies to rappers. Everyone is rapping now and since they need production everything balances itself out. I'm only speculating but I would assume that there are still more people trying to rap than there are trying to produce. Don't let dwindling music sales fool you, money is still being made left and right with music and producers play a big role in this.

I wanted to touch on this beat maker term that you used as well. I have heard a few people such as Just blaze use that term in a negative way while boosting themselves up by giving themselves the title of producer. There is nothing wrong with making beats or using technology to do so. To suggest that someone isn't a producer of music simply because they didn't work in a studio hands on with an artist or because they used software to create it is simply self righteous elitist bs. I fail to see the logic, especially coming from someone who primarily relies on sampling. That's the same criticism that sample based producers have received over the years. Even if you were in the studio with an artist and made the beat, that doesn't mean that the artist would take instruction from you as to how the song should be put together. At the end of the day the person who made the music should still be considered the producer. I think at one point I bought into the notion that there was a difference between beat makers and producers but I have since changed my views.

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

You sound like a hater. How else are people supposed to get started? It's a progression, you start as an amateur, and if you're fortunate enough, you become a professional. If you produce music, then you're a producer, it's simple as that. Now, if you don't have any song placements, you're not a credited producer, but nevertheless you're a producer.

And it ain't no such thing as fundementals of production. You make what you think sounds nice, and it's a beat. It ain't no rules to making music. Thats the opposite of what hip hop is. You do what's comes to you naturally and express yourself organically without preconceived barriers.

And it's not always about making money. I make beats. I've sold beats. I've also given away beats. I do this shyt for fun as and as a way to express myself artiscally. I don't want to be a producer. It's not worth the effort and it's not lucrative enough for me. But it's nothing wrong with people who aspire to acommplish being a professional producer.

With the mind frame you have, how would anyone ascend from an amateur level to a professional level at anything in life? Your same rhetoric can be applied to writers, painters, actors, etc... Basically anything that has to do with the arts. That way of thinking is shortsighted and narrow minded.

I was typing my post as you were posting yours but we said some of the same things. kudos

 

[1/2OfDaBruinz]

How am a hater? Just because I don't agree with something I'm a hater?

The point is these dudes beatmakers one year then the next year they on to something else. Just think about beatmakers/producers since 2000 alot of them hot for a few years then disappear. They gave birth to a generation of beatmakers making youtube videos like they really apart of the culture and their not.

So what if someone wants to do something one year and drop it the next. That's what they wanted to do at the moment. I'm pretty sure at one point in your life you were in to something, and now you're not.

And producers from the 2000's didn't give birth to this influx of beat makers, software like Fruity Loops did. Before then, entry into the production world was much more expensive and elusive.

And I don't give a fukk about this part of the culture shyt. Don't nobody need a pass to make beats, that shyt sounds ludicrous. I just bought a how to draw book the other day. Can I not learn some techniques and upload a video on YouTube because I'm not a part of the art culture?

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

Nah. Music is in high demand and always will be. There are plenty of placement opportunity available in commercials, at stores, for video games, at basketball games etc. Also, what you have said about producers in regards to the influx also applies to rappers. Everyone is rapping now and since they need production everything balances itself out. I'm only speculating but I would assume that there are still more people trying to rap than there are trying to produce. Don't let dwindling music sales fool you, money is still being made left and right with music and producers play a big role in this.

I wanted to touch on this beat maker term that you used as well. I have heard a few people such as Just blaze use that term in a negative way while boosting themselves up by giving themselves the title of producer. There is nothing wrong with making beats or using technology to do so. To suggest that someone isn't a producer of music simply because they didn't work in a studio hands on with an artist or because they used software to create it is simply self righteous elitist bs. I fail to see the logic, especially coming from someone who primarily relies on sampling. That's the same criticism that sample based producers have received over the years. Even if you were in the studio with an artist and made the beat, that doesn't mean that the artist would take instruction from you as to how the song should be put together. At the end of the day the person who made the music should still be considered the producer. I think at one point I bought into the notion that there was a difference between beat makers and producers but I have since changed my views.

No disrespect to Dre because he earned it but look at how much was earned off Beats. Look at how much Maschine is making. Clearly the sales of the product is more than any rapper selling albums, itunes etc. Rappers still make show money but thats about it.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

So what if someone wants to do something one year and drop it the next. That's what they wanted to do at the moment. I'm pretty sure at one point in your life you were in to something, and now you're not.

And producers from the 2000's didn't give birth to this influx of beat makers, software like Fruity Loops did. Before then, entry into the production world was much more expensive and elusive.

And I don't give a fukk about this part of the culture shyt. Don't nobody need a pass to make beats, that shyt sounds ludicrous. I just bought a how to draw book the other day. Can I not learn some techniques and upload a video on YouTube because I'm not a part of the art culture?

culture bandit

 

[L. Deezy]

I respect the in house producers who actually take the time to learn the fundamentals of production. But you got dudes who download the software or buy a maschine now they tell everyone they producers. Its too gimmicky for me and there's a market for these people. Do you realize more money is made nowadays off equipment than actual music that is being produced.

yeah, I left the game alone

besides my "sampling" production style is outdated. lol
but, yeah I agree 100%

 

[1/2OfDaBruinz]

culture bandit

nikka I will slap the shyt out of you. I grew up on the South Side of Chicago off 79th and Cottage Grove. My mom worked for the Urban League. I grew up watching shyt like Eyes on the Prize and with family friends like Kevin Powell. Don't you ever confuse me for some white boy that's trying to misappropriate black culture.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

How am a hater? Just because I don't agree with something I'm a hater?

The point is these dudes beatmakers one year then the next year they on to something else. Just think about beatmakers/producers since 2000 alot of them hot for a few years then disappear. They gave birth to a generation of beatmakers making youtube videos like they really apart of the culture and their not.

There is no culture because composing circles around the pieces creatives work on. Independent contractors.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

nikka I will slap the shyt out of you. I grew up on the South Side of Chicago of 79th and Cottage Grove. My mom worked for the Urban League. I grew up watching shyt like Eyes on the Prize and with family friends like Kevin Powell. Don't you ever confuse me for some white boy that's trying to misappropriate black culture.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

If you don't get paid for it then you're not a producer thats all I'm saying.

You got dudes out here who make beats on their little maschine/mpc or whatever then they feel like their a real producer.
You're right you have to start somewhere and really work at your skill I can respect that but if you're not networking at
industry parties, events, building contacts and getting paid for it you just another beatmaker in your mamas basement.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

There is no culture because composing circles around the pieces creatives work on. Independent contractors.

It is a culture its a lifestyle if a dude is grinding and he come up off his skill and is active in the game he's apart of the culture.
But if you just a dude who makes beats and a bunch of "How to" youtube videos with no progress in your professional career you're not in the game.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Nah. Music is in high demand and always will be. There are plenty of placement opportunity available in commercials, at stores, for video games, at basketball games etc. Also, what you have said about producers in regards to the influx also applies to rappers. Everyone is rapping now and since they need production everything balances itself out. I'm only speculating but I would assume that there are still more people trying to rap than there are trying to produce. Don't let dwindling music sales fool you, money is still being made left and right with music and producers play a big role in this.

I wanted to touch on this beat maker term that you used as well. I have heard a few people such as Just blaze use that term in a negative way while boosting themselves up by giving themselves the title of producer. There is nothing wrong with making beats or using technology to do so. To suggest that someone isn't a producer of music simply because they didn't work in a studio hands on with an artist or because they used software to create it is simply self righteous elitist bs. I fail to see the logic, especially coming from someone who primarily relies on sampling. That's the same criticism that sample based producers have received over the years. Even if you were in the studio with an artist and made the beat, that doesn't mean that the artist would take instruction from you as to how the song should be put together. At the end of the day the person who made the music should still be considered the producer. I think at one point I bought into the notion that there was a difference between beat makers and producers but I have since changed my views.

No, there is a difference. Producers are like directors. Directors do not necessarily write the screenplays and a producer doesn't necessarily compose music. Rock producers rarely write or compose anything but they have a vision on how the music should come out. Example: Rick Rubin's work with the Dixie Chicks and Linkin Park.

Most people do not know that there is a difference in being a lyricist and being a songwriter. Most people I came across and label themselves songwriters but cannot play the keyboard or guitar. They're just lyricists. How else do you know what chord aligns with a lyric, the scale the song should be sung in, etc? A songwriter gives a song to producer who juices it up and make it ready for consumption.

So, Just Blaze is right but he isn't someone I look up to in producing. Babyface is the epitome.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

It is a culture its a lifestyle if a dude is grinding and he come up off his skill and is active in the game he's apart of the culture.
But if you just a dude who makes beats and a bunch of "How to" youtube videos with no progress if your professional career you're not in the game.

The culture is more about the genre then composing itself. R&b dudes do not necessarily run with hip-hip dudes.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

If you don't get paid for it then you're not a producer thats all I'm saying.

You got dudes out here who make beats on their little maschine/mpc or whatever then they feel like their a real producer.
You're right you have to start somewhere and really work at your skill I can respect that but if you're not networking at
industry parties, events, building contacts and getting paid for it you just another beatmaker in your mamas basement.

Exactly at the bold. that's why I am sliding to LA for the summer. I have to make it a career. This 9-5 shyt isn't me.