So apparently this is "Kanye West's dream team"

[spliz]

Of course you can compare musical genres. Kanye doesn't make music with one man, an MPC and some software.


Every album ends up sounding exactly like wherever Kanye is in life (or whatever he's trying to project is his life). There's no denying he's the creator and driving force. Much like MJ or Arcade Fire. His albums might not be as good but his ambition is grand.

No u can't. Different sets of standards. It's not a requirement to know how to play an instrument in R&B the same way it's not a requirement to know how to sing in Hip hop.

 

[spliz]

What bugs me out is what changed? Even in his early days he had people that he'd pay to go record shopping for him, but he still definitely got busy on the MPC and he definitely wrote at least a good portion of his raps. He was pretty much a self contained artist. He's always liked producers like Dre and Quincy Jones that know how to bring others into the picture, but if he wanted to, he could've done every album like College Dropout.

That was one of the things that made me like Dropout so much at the time. Even though it had flaws, I admired that someone basically brought a whole vision to life from scratch, including the album artwork/liner notes. Obviously Rhymefest helped on Jesus Walks and I'm sure Consequence and GLC helped here and there, but there's no question he's created a lot of material also.

If he really is having most of his raps written and most of his beats done by others, that seems like going backwards?

What changed is yes men and a bunch of idiotic fans calling him a genius for everything he does and comparing him to the likes of true geniuses like Michael Jackson.

 

[King Ming]

how do you pay all those people?

 

[Danie84]

A "Genius" with a manufacturer wholesale of workers

 

[Splash]

Pusha ?

 

[RTF]

What bugs me out is what changed? Even in his early days he had people that he'd pay to go record shopping for him, but he still definitely got busy on the MPC and he definitely wrote at least a good portion of his raps. He was pretty much a self contained artist. He's always liked producers like Dre and Quincy Jones that know how to bring others into the picture, but if he wanted to, he could've done every album like College Dropout.

That was one of the things that made me like Dropout so much at the time. Even though it had flaws, I admired that someone basically brought a whole vision to life from scratch, including the album artwork/liner notes. Obviously Rhymefest helped on Jesus Walks and I'm sure Consequence and GLC helped here and there, but there's no question he's created a lot of material also.

If he really is having most of his raps written and most of his beats done by others, that seems like going backwards?

I guess that's where we are different. To me College Dropout is an album where the ideas on it are great. But there isn't the depth of skill or knowledge to really pull it all off.

Even then John Legend played all of the piano on that album. Miri Bin Ari arranged, produced and performed all teh violins on that record. He had multiple dudes play guitar, multiple dudes on keyboard. He had help with the rhymes.

 

[Alvin]

he has a different team each album

 

[Wildin]

No they don't and no they're not.

Kanye and Kendrick stans gon stan



Kanye is Britney Spears

this isn't a personal attack but you really don't understand how music and albums are made.

The Beatles worked with arrangers, people who overlooked projects that said "this is better here, these lyrics fit better than this, the album should go in this direction"

George Harrison had licks and assistance from from Eric clapton who has not only been credited but done uncredited work for the Beatles and their solo projects

But let me guess the Beatles aren't real music....

Mj was known for beat boxing then calling in drummers and bassists, keys players to make the shyt real music.

Kanye does the same and from a producers standpoint all producers mumble and hum over the or beats and fill in the lyrics and/or provide the cadence to writers or artists. Just blaze, pharrell, timbo....but lemme guess they aren't real?

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

The "too many cooks in the kitchen" isn't really valid, considering how many people contributed to other Kanye albums. In fact, take a look at the liner notes of probably any of your favorite albums and it's going to look something like this.

Late Registration, for example...

Personnel
Credits adapted from the album's liner notes.[8]

Instrumentalists

• Susan Chatman – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Daphne Chen – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Terry Glenny – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Marisa Kuney – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Victoria Lanier – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Alyssa Park – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Julie Rogers – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Audrey Solomon – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Amy Wickman – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Eric Gorfain – violin, strings orchestration (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Piotr Jandula – viola (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• David Sage – viola (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Tom Tally – viola (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Marda Todd – viola (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Richard Dodd – cello (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Mathew Cooker – cello (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Armen Ksadjikian – cello (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Victor Lawrence – cello (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Stephen Holtman – trombone (tracks 10 and 17)
• Andrew Martin – trombone (tracks 10 and 17)
• Bruce Otto – bass trombone (tracks 10 and 17)
• Gary Grant – flugelhorn, trumpet (tracks 10 and 17)
• Dan Fornero – flugelhorn, trumpet (tracks 10 and 17)
• Denise Briese – double bass (tracks 10 and 17)
• Francis Senger – double bass (tracks 10 and 17)
• Jason Torreano – double bass (tracks 10 and 17)
• Rick Todd – French horn (tracks 10 and 17)
• Dave Tozer – guitar (tracks 13 and 20)
• Brad Warnaar – French horn (tracks 10 and 17)
• Tom Craskey – additional keyboards (tracks 13 and 20)
• Ervin Pope – keyboards (tracks 9 and 17)
• Robert Glasper - piano

Production

• Kanye West – executive producer, primary artist, producer (all tracks except 3)
• Devo Springsteen – producer (track 13)
• Richard Reitz – recording engineer (track 6)
• Brian Sumner – recording engineer (tracks 8, 9, and 21)
• Anthony Kilhoffer – recording engineer (tracks 3-4, 6, 8-14, 16-17, 19-20)
• Tom Biller – recording engineer (tracks 2, 4, 11-14, 16-17), string recording engineer (10, 17, 19-20)
• Andrew Dawson – recording engineer (tracks 2-4, 6-8, 16-17, 21), mixing (8, 16, 17, and 19)
• Mike Mo – assistant recording engineer (tracks 2-4, 6, 10, 14)
• Ryan Neuschafer – assistant recording engineer (tracks 9-12)
• James Auwarter – assistant recording engineer (tracks 9-12)
• Nate Connelly – assistant recording engineer (tracks 2-4, 6, 9-10, 14, 21)
• Taylor Dow – assistant recording engineer (tracks 2, 7, 16, 17, and 19)
• Matt Green – assistant recording engineer (tracks 3, 4, 8, 10, 16, and 17)
• Jon Brion – brass arrangement (tracks 10 and 17), producer (2, 4, 9-11, 13-14, 16-17, 20), string arrangements (10, 17, and 19)
• Warryn Campbell – producer (track 14)
• Just Blaze – producer (track 3)
• Kyambo Joshua – executive producer
• Doug Joswick – package production
• Mike Dean – mixing (tracks 2-4, 6, 7)
• Craig Bauer – mixing (tracks 9-12)
• Manny Marroquin – mixing (tracks 13 and 20)
• Kris Yiengst – art coordinator, photography
• Sarah A. Friedman – photography
• Louis Marino – creative director
• Eric Weissman – sample clearance
• Vlado Meller – mastering

Vocalists

• Paul Wall – featured artist (track 6)
• Cam'ron – featured artist (track 19)
• Brandy – featured artist (track 10)
• Common – featured artist (track 7)
• Consequence – featured artist (track 19)
• Lupe Fiasco – featured artist (track 3)
• The Game – featured artist (track 8)
• GLC – featured artist (track 6)
• Jay-Z – featured artist (track 13)
• Adam Levine – featured artist (track 2)
• Nas – featured artist (track 14)
• Really Doe – featured artist (track 14)
• Jamie Foxx – featured artist (track 4)
• Tony Williams – additional vocals (track 9)
• Charlie Wilson – additional vocals (track 8)
• Keyshia Cole – additional vocals (track 8)
• DeRay Davis – additional vocals (track 1)
• John Legend – additional vocals (tracks 16 and 17)

shyt like this actually makes me think how many people actually collaborate in hip hop and how many hands are actually in the pot...but aren't being recognized or compensated.

Now as for thread... this is somewhat crazy because I thought CD, LR and Graduation were his best albums and after seeing these I need to check CD because I always held Ye in a Hugh regard simply for those three albums and the work he did while dropping classics producing for Tha Roc and others before signing his deal. If he has that much help then he can't get the credit that I once gave him.

Edit: after looking at this most of that list is because of the use of live instruments which is something Ye most likely knows nothing about...so I can give him a pass on that... still wonder what CD and Graduation look like though. I could care less about the rest of his albums because they were trash to me. After those first three he fell off hard and I wonder if the reason why is because he was pulling himself in 100 different ways trying to pull in all the extra people.

 

[SirBiatch]

this isn't a personal attack but you really don't understand how music and albums are made.

The Beatles worked with arrangers, people who overlooked projects that said "this is better here, these lyrics fit better than this, the album should go in this direction"

George Harrison had licks and assistance from from Eric clapton who has not only been credited but done uncredited work for the Beatles and their solo projects

But let me guess the Beatles aren't real music....

Mj was known for beat boxing then calling in drummers and bassists, keys players to make the shyt real music.

Kanye does the same and from a producers standpoint all producers mumble and hum over the or beats and fill in the lyrics and/or provide the cadence to writers or artists. Just blaze, pharrell, timbo....but lemme guess they aren't real?

no offense, but you're a pop fan masquerading as a hip hop fan

I don't give a fukk about The Beatles, and this is a hip hop forum. Why the fukk do you stans always reach for lofty ass examples that aren't even hip hop for hip hop conversations?

 

[Black Ball]

Kanye's raps been kinda weak lately, yall sure he not writing them wack ass shyts himself?

 

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

Reup the zoom in version of the page

 

[FrostBite]

I think hip-hop fans have a very misguided notion that their favorite rappers just go into the studio and create tracks with just a producer and call it a day. The reality is there are many hands in the process on any given album. Just because somebody brings in help doesn't take away from their genius. That would be like saying Steve Jobs wasn't a genius because he didn't design every detail of the iPhone himself. Here are a couple albums I pulled at random...All Eyez On Me and The Blueprint.

2Pac - All Eyez On Me

Personnel
Credits for All Eyez on Me adapted from Allmusic and CD booklet.

• 2Pac — associate producer, composer, primary artist, producer
• Suge Knight — executive producer
• Norris Anderson — production manager
• Delmar "Daz" Arnaud — composer
• Dave Aron — engineer, mixing
• Big Syke — featured artist
• Larry Blackmon — composer
• David Blake — composer, mixing, producer, talk box
• B-Legit — featured artist
• Bobcat — composer
• Calvin Broadus — composer
• R. Brown — composer
• C-BO — featured artist
• Larry Chatman — associate producer
• Rick Clifford — engineer
• G. Clinton, Jr. — composer
• George Clinton — composer, featured artist, vocals
• Nanci Fletcher - featured artist, vocals
• Dorothy Coleman — background vocals
• W. Collins — composer
• Kenn Cox — composer
• CPO — featured artist
• Woody Cunningham — composer
• Tommy D. Daugherty — engineer
• Danny Boy — featured artist
• Dat nikka Daz — featured artist, producer
• Robert Diggs — composer
• DJ Pooh — composer, mixing, producer
• Dr. Dre — composer, featured artist, mixing, producer
• Tha Dogg Pound — featured artist
• Nate Dogg — featured artist, vocals
• Dramacydal — featured artist
• Dru Down — featured artist
• Norman Durham — composer
• E-40 — featured artist
• Ebony — background vocals
• Bobby Ervin — composer, producer
• Fatal — featured artist
• Brian Gardner — mastering
• Michael Geiser — associate engineer
• Yaki Kadafi — featured artist
• Nathaniel Hale — composer
• C. Haskins — composer
• Johnny Jackson — composer
• Jewell — featured artist
• Johnny "J" — mixing, producer
• Puff Johnson — background vocals

• Jojo the Elf — featured artist
• E. Jordan — composer
• Kurupt — featured artist
• Alvin McGill — associate engineer, engineer
• Method Man — featured artist
• Michel'le — featured artist
• Mike Mosley — assistant engineer, composer, mixing, producer
• Nanci Fletcher - featured artist
• Shirley Murdock — composer
• Ken Nahoum — photography
• Outlawz — featured artist
• J.P. Pennington — composer
• Prince — composer
• George Pryce — art direction, design
• QD3 — composer
• Rappin' 4-Tay — featured artist
• Doug Rasheed — composer, producer
• Danny Ray — background vocals
• Redman — featured artist
• Richie Rich — featured artist
• Rick Rock — producer
• Patrick Shevelin — associate engineer
• Carl "Butch" Small — percussion
• Stacey Smallie — background vocals
• C. Smith — composer
• Henry "Hendogg" Smith — illustrations
• Snoop Doggy Dogg — featured artist, vocals
• Troy Staton — engineer
• D. Stevens — composer
• E. Stevens — composer
• D. Stewart - composer
• The Storm — featured artist
• DeVanté Swing — composer, mixing, producer
• Roy Tesfay — production co-ordination
• Rahiem Prince Thomas — composer
• S. Thomas — composer
• Sean "Barney" Thomas — keyboards
• Larry Troutman — composer
• Roger Troutman — composer, featured artist, talk box, unknown contributor role
• Natasha Walker — background vocals
• Carlos Warlick — engineer, mixing
• Barbara Warren — stylist, unknown contributor role
• Bruce Washington — composer
• Danette Williams — background vocals
• Barbara Wilson — background vocals
• Nanci Fletcher - background vocals
• Keston Wright — engineer

Jay Z - The Blueprint

Personnel

• Jay-Z - performer, executive producer
• Eminem - performer, producer, mixing
• Slick Rick - vocals
• Q-Tip - vocals
• Biz Markie - vocals
• Demme Ulloa - vocals
• Schevise Harrell - vocals
• Lauren Leek - vocals
• Keon Bryce - vocals
• Stephanie Miller - vocals
• Michele Mills - vocals
• Josey Scott - vocals
• Victor Flowers - organ
• Kanye West - producer, vocals
• Just Blaze - producer
• Bink - producer
• Timbaland - producer
• Poke & Tone - producer
• DJ Head - drum programming

• Damon Dash - executive producer
• Kareem "Biggs" Burke - executive producer
• Gimel "Young Guru" Katon - engineer, mixing
• Jimmy Douglas - engineer, mixing
• Rajon Wright - assistant engineer
• Shane Woodley - assistant engineer
• Jason Goldstein - mixing
• Richard Huredia - mixing
• Supa Engineer "Duro" - mixing
• Doug Wilson - mixing
• Tony Vanias - recording director
• Tony Dawsey - mastering
• Lenny S. - A&R
• Rob Mitchell - A&R
• Kyambo Joshua - A&R
• Darcell Lawrence - A&R
• Jason Noto - art direction
• Jonathan Mannion - photography
• Della Valle - images

 

[CHICAGOrilla]

So if it takes all these people to craft his album, why is he still in the discussion when speaking about GOATs? And why does he get a pass but people try to act like the boy wonder Drake is on some Milly vanilly shyt?

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

I think hip-hop fans have a very misguided notion that their favorite rappers just go into the studio and create tracks with just a producer and call it a day. The reality is there are many hands in the process on any given album. Just because somebody brings in help doesn't take away from their genius. That would be like saying Steve Jobs wasn't a genius because he didn't design every detail of the iPhone himself. Here are a couple albums I pulled at random...All Eyez On Me and The Blueprint.

2Pac - All Eyez On Me

Personnel
Credits for All Eyez on Me adapted from Allmusic and CD booklet.

• 2Pac — associate producer, composer, primary artist, producer
• Suge Knight — executive producer
• Norris Anderson — production manager
• Delmar "Daz" Arnaud — composer
• Dave Aron — engineer, mixing
• Big Syke — featured artist
• Larry Blackmon — composer
• David Blake — composer, mixing, producer, talk box
• B-Legit — featured artist
• Bobcat — composer
• Calvin Broadus — composer
• R. Brown — composer
• C-BO — featured artist
• Larry Chatman — associate producer
• Rick Clifford — engineer
• G. Clinton, Jr. — composer
• George Clinton — composer, featured artist, vocals
• Nanci Fletcher - featured artist, vocals
• Dorothy Coleman — background vocals
• W. Collins — composer
• Kenn Cox — composer
• CPO — featured artist
• Woody Cunningham — composer
• Tommy D. Daugherty — engineer
• Danny Boy — featured artist
• Dat nikka Daz — featured artist, producer
• Robert Diggs — composer
• DJ Pooh — composer, mixing, producer
• Dr. Dre — composer, featured artist, mixing, producer
• Tha Dogg Pound — featured artist
• Nate Dogg — featured artist, vocals
• Dramacydal — featured artist
• Dru Down — featured artist
• Norman Durham — composer
• E-40 — featured artist
• Ebony — background vocals
• Bobby Ervin — composer, producer
• Fatal — featured artist
• Brian Gardner — mastering
• Michael Geiser — associate engineer
• Yaki Kadafi — featured artist
• Nathaniel Hale — composer
• C. Haskins — composer
• Johnny Jackson — composer
• Jewell — featured artist
• Johnny "J" — mixing, producer
• Puff Johnson — background vocals

• Jojo the Elf — featured artist
• E. Jordan — composer
• Kurupt — featured artist
• Alvin McGill — associate engineer, engineer
• Method Man — featured artist
• Michel'le — featured artist
• Mike Mosley — assistant engineer, composer, mixing, producer
• Nanci Fletcher - featured artist
• Shirley Murdock — composer
• Ken Nahoum — photography
• Outlawz — featured artist
• J.P. Pennington — composer
• Prince — composer
• George Pryce — art direction, design
• QD3 — composer
• Rappin' 4-Tay — featured artist
• Doug Rasheed — composer, producer
• Danny Ray — background vocals
• Redman — featured artist
• Richie Rich — featured artist
• Rick Rock — producer
• Patrick Shevelin — associate engineer
• Carl "Butch" Small — percussion
• Stacey Smallie — background vocals
• C. Smith — composer
• Henry "Hendogg" Smith — illustrations
• Snoop Doggy Dogg — featured artist, vocals
• Troy Staton — engineer
• D. Stevens — composer
• E. Stevens — composer
• D. Stewart - composer
• The Storm — featured artist
• DeVanté Swing — composer, mixing, producer
• Roy Tesfay — production co-ordination
• Rahiem Prince Thomas — composer
• S. Thomas — composer
• Sean "Barney" Thomas — keyboards
• Larry Troutman — composer
• Roger Troutman — composer, featured artist, talk box, unknown contributor role
• Natasha Walker — background vocals
• Carlos Warlick — engineer, mixing
• Barbara Warren — stylist, unknown contributor role
• Bruce Washington — composer
• Danette Williams — background vocals
• Barbara Wilson — background vocals
• Nanci Fletcher - background vocals
• Keston Wright — engineer

Jay Z - The Blueprint

Personnel

• Jay-Z - performer, executive producer
• Eminem - performer, producer, mixing
• Slick Rick - vocals
• Q-Tip - vocals
• Biz Markie - vocals
• Demme Ulloa - vocals
• Schevise Harrell - vocals
• Lauren Leek - vocals
• Keon Bryce - vocals
• Stephanie Miller - vocals
• Michele Mills - vocals
• Josey Scott - vocals
• Victor Flowers - organ
• Kanye West - producer, vocals
• Just Blaze - producer
• Bink - producer
• Timbaland - producer
• Poke & Tone - producer
• DJ Head - drum programming

• Damon Dash - executive producer
• Kareem "Biggs" Burke - executive producer
• Gimel "Young Guru" Katon - engineer, mixing
• Jimmy Douglas - engineer, mixing
• Rajon Wright - assistant engineer
• Shane Woodley - assistant engineer
• Jason Goldstein - mixing
• Richard Huredia - mixing
• Supa Engineer "Duro" - mixing
• Doug Wilson - mixing
• Tony Vanias - recording director
• Tony Dawsey - mastering
• Lenny S. - A&R
• Rob Mitchell - A&R
• Kyambo Joshua - A&R
• Darcell Lawrence - A&R
• Jason Noto - art direction
• Jonathan Mannion - photography
• Della Valle - images

Negged, dapped, undapped and reported. Don't you dare throw Pacs name under the bus to defend this fakkit Kanye. Everybody knows when Pac got out of jail he said he wanted everybody on Death Row involved with the All Eyez On Me album so nobody at all was thinking he went into the studio with a producer and created that album. We've all saw pics and videos of him in the studio with mutliple people working on tracks too. Pac never had nobody pen a verse for him though, EVER.

The Jay example is very minimal also, why the hell are you listing people involved with the photogrophy? That has nothing to do with the music. I'm willing to bet that the majority of Hip-Hop listeners are familiar with the different producers Jay used for The Blueprint 1I don't understand what point you're tryna make here. Hell I bet most posters on here have the booklets for All Eyez On Me and Blueprint one at home somehwere and have read through each many times, you're not telling anyone anything new here.