So apparently this is "Kanye West's dream team"

[GPBear]

He's like the anti-Prince


anti-D'angelo

 

[Mowgli]

50 fukking people for an album.
I mean really at what point does it not become ridiculous ?
Hell, I'd argue that more than 10 or 15 is serving to work against you and not for you.

If you need session musicians go for it.
If you need another pair of ears or an additional producer go for it.
If you want to feature multiple rappers or singers go for it.

If you're completely and utterly bankrupt of ideas and you're looking for someone
else to write your shyt. then it might be time for you to sit down

At least in Dr. Dre's defense on compton he helped to give a platform to a lot
of new younger talent and in that light it was similar to his previous albums The Chronic and 2001.

I mean really all those chefs in the kitchen just so Kanye can deliver a double cheeseburger instead
of filet mignon.

An earth wind and fire album

Personnel[edit]
Musicians[edit]

• Dorothy Ashby – harp
• Phil Ayling – drums
• Philip Bailey – percussion, conga, vocals
• Blanche Belnick – violin
• Roger Bobo – tuba
• George Bohanon – trombone
• Oscar Brashear – trumpet
• Garnett Brown – trombone
• Ronald Clark – violin
• Ronald Cooper – cello
• Paulinho Da Costa – percussion
• Eduardo del Barrio – piano
• David Duke – French horn
• Larry Dunn – synthesizer, piano, keyboards, Moog synthesizer, Oberheim
• Chuck Findley – trumpet
• Norman Forrest – viola
• Harris Goldman – violin
• Jack Gootkin – violin
• Janice Gower – violin, concertmaster
• Johnny Graham – guitar
• Terry Harrington – flute
• Michael Harris – trumpet
• Ruth Henry – violin
• Fred Jackson, Jr. – flute
• Ralph Johnson – percussion, drums, vocals
• Jan Kelly – cello
• Richard Klein – French horn
• Renita Koven – viola
• Betty LaMagna – violin
• Carl LaMagna – violin
• Mary D. Lindquist – violin
• Linda Lipsett – viola
• Art Macnow – direction
• Steve Madaio – trumpet
• James M. McGee – French horn
• Al McKay – guitar, percussion
• Abe Most – flute
• Don Myrick – alto, baritone and tenor saxophones
• Susan Ranney – bass
• Alan Robinson – French horn
• Gale Robinson – French horn
• Marilyn Robinson – French horn
• Meyer Rubin – bass
• Richard Salvato – direction
• Sheldon Sanov – violin
• Louis Satterfield – trombone
• Skip Scarborough – percussion, piano
• Haim Shtrum – violin
• Daniel Smith – cello
• Barry Socher – violin
• Lya Stern – violin
• David Stockhammer – violin
• Barbara Thomason – viola
• Marcia Van Dyke – violin
• Fred White – percussion, drums
• Maurice White – drums, vocals, kalimba
• Verdine White – bass, vocals
• Andrew Woolfolk – tenor saxophone, wind

 

[spliz]

What do you mean "you don't know who's doing that" literally EVERY thread when this shyt comes up people are like " no way man!!!!! My favorite does it ALLLL himself!!"

I think people are comparing the recording process man.... You know better than that.

But u can't compare the recording process either. That's the issue. It just shows they don't truly know what MJ did. It also implys that things are the same as they were. It not even the same genre of music fam. U literally NEEDED a bunch of people then cause it was all live instrumentation. Hip Hop started cause people didnt have the damn resources. A producer in hip hop is different from a standard producer of the past. And u cant even compare Kanye to them. nikkas like Quincy mastered music theory and learned to compose and create all kinds of music and learned and apprenticed with some of the greatest musicians and composers all over the world. Kanye is a hip hop producer. Doesnt make beats no more. Kanye is supposed to be a rapper. Don't write rhymes. Kanye is supposed to be a creative genius. Needs a million people to come up with ideas for him. Only thing I could give to him is that he's in the damn studio while the process is happening and maybe giving input. Take all of the writing away from MJ and he STILL is damn near unfukkwittable vocally. He STILL is FAR more creative than Kanye has EVER proven to be. And the thing is. Mike wrote ALOT of his shyt. Produced. Composed and arranged it. Hits bruh. Record breaking hits.

 

[Insensitive]

Dizzee Rascal produced his entire first album at 16 and it's one of the greatest albums to ever come out the UK. He won the mercury music award for it at 17 and when on to open up shows for Hov with the Clipse performing it.

Title Writer(s) Length
1. "Sittin' Here" Dylan Mills 4:05
2. "Stop Dat" Mills 3:40
3. "I Luv U" Mills 4:05
4. "Brand New Day" Mills 4:00
5. "2 Far" (featuring Wiley) Richard Cowie, Mills 3:07
6. "Fix Up, Look Sharp" Nick Detnon, Mills, Billy Squier 3:44
7. "Cut 'Em Off" Mills 3:53
8. "Hold Ya Mouf" (featuring God’s Gift) Jerome Dow, Mills 2:55
9. "Round We Go" (co-produced by Chubby Dread) Hector, Mills 4:13
10. "Jus' a Rascal" (featuring Taz) (co-produced by Taz & Vanguard) Mills, Tesmond Rowe, Vanguard Vardoen 3:39
11. "Wot U On?" (featuring Caramel) Mills 4:50
12. "Jezebel" Mills 3:36
13. "Seems 2 Be" Mills 3:46
14. "Live O" Mills 3:35
15. "Do It!" Mills 4:06

Apart from the features he wrote every verse and hook (excluding samples) too. Obviously we don't expect everyone to work like this but don't act like you need 50 people in a room to make great music

To add on to this the production credits for Dj Quik's last two albums :

The Book Of David

• Bun B - vocals
• Jon B. - vocals
• David Balfour - fender rhodes
• Bizzy Bone - vocals
• Jonathan "JP" Chavez - design, packaging
• Ice Cube - vocals
• Dwele - vocals
• Dave Foreman - bass, guitar, keyboards
• Suga Free - vocals
• BlaKKazz K.K. - vocals
• Kurupt - vocals
• Justin Li - A&R

• Kiki Luster - project assistant
• Terrace Martin - keyboards
• G-One - producer, vocals
• Jorge Peniche - design, packaging, photography
• DJ Quik - drum machine, drums, editing, engineer, executive producer, keyboards, mixing, pperation, pro-tools, producer, programming, sequencing
• Russell Redeaux - management
• Gift Reynolds - vocals
• Garry Shider - guitar, vocals
• Derrick "D-Loc" Walker - percussion
• William "Fuzzy Fantabulous" West - project assistant

The Midnight Life :

• Richie Abbott – Project Manager, Publicity
• Jason Allen – Keyboards
• Rob "Fonksta" Bacon – Bass, Composer, Featured Artist, Guitar, Moog Synthesizer
• David "Preach" Bal4 – Keyboards, Piano, Producer
• David Blake II – Drum Programming, Featured Artist, Keyboards, Programming, Vocals
• Tweed Cadillac – Vocals
• El DeBarge – Composer, Featured Artist, Keyboards
• DJ Quik – Bass, Drum Programming, Drums, Horn, Instrumentation, Keyboards, Primary Artist, Producer
• David Foreman – Bass, Guitar
• Eboni Foster – Vocals
• Kenya Frank – Photography
• Brian Gardner – Mastering

• Joi – Vocals
• Dom Kennedy – Vocals
• Bishop Lamont – Vocals
• Mack 10 – Vocals
• Marco Olivia – Design, Packaging
• Rillah – Photography
• Courtney Robertson – Guitar
• Keith Ross – Bass, Composer
• Stephen Sletten – Engineer
• Keisha Smith – Vocals
• Suga Free – Vocals
• Tayf3rd – Vocals
• D-Loc Walker – Drums

Remove the features and just look at the people credited as session musicians.
The bulk of the work Dj Quik does is handling pretty much all of the production
and song writing as well as writing all of his verses.
Then look at Kanye's credits for The Life Of Pablo.

The Life of Pablo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bu...buu..... you guys don't understand you need 50 people
just to get 12 tracks done otherwise you're recording in your cousin's basement !

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

I'm the one reaching, but your response to someone refuting you categorically denying no one EVER wrote rhymes for pac is some worthless ass Bill Clinton-esque "it depends what the definition of is, is" double-speak built around being written FOR

Basically these type of conversations are a waste of time for anything other than comedic purposes when y'all selectively come with all this righteous indignation, then turn around and don't even pretend to have some kind consistent standard or even feign being intellectually honest when things turn towards an inconvenient truth

Dude writing pacs rhymes on 2pacalypse Now is really independent of what you originally responded to...and I agree dude that listed engineers and background singers and shyt for AEOM had a stupid point...so don't think I'm expecting you to come up with some response to the ray luv shyt that actually makes sense and is consistent everything else, I know better...it's all jokes for me

He didn't write rhymes for Pac though . Pac liked the song he wasn't gonna use anyway and decided to throw it on his album, even then it's unclear how much Pac used and added himself. When pacs creative process is heavily documented and people have spoke on how he would write classic songs while taking shyts in 20 mins it's unfair to attempt to smear this mans legacy when you yourself have to admit you don't know the full story or any more than what was said in that video you just posted.

Yeah these convos are a waste of time when we know you're a known pac hater

Pac is the goat overly emotional loud mouth attention whore rapper.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

this isn't a personal attack but you really don't understand how music and albums are made.

The Beatles worked with arrangers, people who overlooked projects that said "this is better here, these lyrics fit better than this, the album should go in this direction"

George Harrison had licks and assistance from from Eric clapton who has not only been credited but done uncredited work for the Beatles and their solo projects

But let me guess the Beatles aren't real music....

Mj was known for beat boxing then calling in drummers and bassists, keys players to make the shyt real music.

Kanye does the same and from a producers standpoint all producers mumble and hum over the or beats and fill in the lyrics and/or provide the cadence to writers or artists. Just blaze, pharrell, timbo....but lemme guess they aren't real?

You are forgetting one important thing. kanyes sounds like shyt. No amount of crying on twitter, phony outrage, battling with white girls, changing dates will change that. His shyt just sucks.

 

[Insensitive]

An earth wind and fire album

Personnel[edit]
Musicians[edit]

• Dorothy Ashby – harp
• Phil Ayling – drums
• Philip Bailey – percussion, conga, vocals
• Blanche Belnick – violin
• Roger Bobo – tuba
• George Bohanon – trombone
• Oscar Brashear – trumpet
• Garnett Brown – trombone
• Ronald Clark – violin
• Ronald Cooper – cello
• Paulinho Da Costa – percussion
• Eduardo del Barrio – piano
• David Duke – French horn
• Larry Dunn – synthesizer, piano, keyboards, Moog synthesizer, Oberheim
• Chuck Findley – trumpet
• Norman Forrest – viola
• Harris Goldman – violin
• Jack Gootkin – violin
• Janice Gower – violin, concertmaster
• Johnny Graham – guitar
• Terry Harrington – flute
• Michael Harris – trumpet
• Ruth Henry – violin
• Fred Jackson, Jr. – flute
• Ralph Johnson – percussion, drums, vocals
• Jan Kelly – cello
• Richard Klein – French horn
• Renita Koven – viola
• Betty LaMagna – violin
• Carl LaMagna – violin
• Mary D. Lindquist – violin
• Linda Lipsett – viola
• Art Macnow – direction
• Steve Madaio – trumpet
• James M. McGee – French horn
• Al McKay – guitar, percussion
• Abe Most – flute
• Don Myrick – alto, baritone and tenor saxophones
• Susan Ranney – bass
• Alan Robinson – French horn
• Gale Robinson – French horn
• Marilyn Robinson – French horn
• Meyer Rubin – bass
• Richard Salvato – direction
• Sheldon Sanov – violin
• Louis Satterfield – trombone
• Skip Scarborough – percussion, piano
• Haim Shtrum – violin
• Daniel Smith – cello
• Barry Socher – violin
• Lya Stern – violin
• David Stockhammer – violin
• Barbara Thomason – viola
• Marcia Van Dyke – violin
• Fred White – percussion, drums
• Maurice White – drums, vocals, kalimba
• Verdine White – bass, vocals
• Andrew Woolfolk – tenor saxophone, wind

Ten people less than Kanye AND they were playing instruments.
I can understand the need for all of these musicians especially because EWF has
songs that are like full orchestral works and push the limits of what's expected out of
an R&B/Funk/Soul song.

Kanye on the other hand is using more samples than instruments and has 8 different producers
to one song at points.

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

To add on to this the production credits for Dj Quik's last two albums :

The Book Of David

• Bun B - vocals
• Jon B. - vocals
• David Balfour - fender rhodes
• Bizzy Bone - vocals
• Jonathan "JP" Chavez - design, packaging
• Ice Cube - vocals
• Dwele - vocals
• Dave Foreman - bass, guitar, keyboards
• Suga Free - vocals
• BlaKKazz K.K. - vocals
• Kurupt - vocals
• Justin Li - A&R

• Kiki Luster - project assistant
• Terrace Martin - keyboards
• G-One - producer, vocals
• Jorge Peniche - design, packaging, photography
• DJ Quik - drum machine, drums, editing, engineer, executive producer, keyboards, mixing, pperation, pro-tools, producer, programming, sequencing
• Russell Redeaux - management
• Gift Reynolds - vocals
• Garry Shider - guitar, vocals
• Derrick "D-Loc" Walker - percussion
• William "Fuzzy Fantabulous" West - project assistant

The Midnight Life :

• Richie Abbott – Project Manager, Publicity
• Jason Allen – Keyboards
• Rob "Fonksta" Bacon – Bass, Composer, Featured Artist, Guitar, Moog Synthesizer
• David "Preach" Bal4 – Keyboards, Piano, Producer
• David Blake II – Drum Programming, Featured Artist, Keyboards, Programming, Vocals
• Tweed Cadillac – Vocals
• El DeBarge – Composer, Featured Artist, Keyboards
• DJ Quik – Bass, Drum Programming, Drums, Horn, Instrumentation, Keyboards, Primary Artist, Producer
• David Foreman – Bass, Guitar
• Eboni Foster – Vocals
• Kenya Frank – Photography
• Brian Gardner – Mastering

• Joi – Vocals
• Dom Kennedy – Vocals
• Bishop Lamont – Vocals
• Mack 10 – Vocals
• Marco Olivia – Design, Packaging
• Rillah – Photography
• Courtney Robertson – Guitar
• Keith Ross – Bass, Composer
• Stephen Sletten – Engineer
• Keisha Smith – Vocals
• Suga Free – Vocals
• Tayf3rd – Vocals
• D-Loc Walker – Drums

Remove the features and just look at the people credited as session musicians.
The bulk of the work Dj Quik does is handling pretty much all of the production
and song writing as well as writing all of his verses.
Then look at Kanye's credits for The Life Of Pablo.

The Life of Pablo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bu...buu..... you guys don't understand you need 50 people
just to get 12 tracks done otherwise you're recording in your cousin's basement !

if ye had Quik on his team they coulda knocked it out with just them two.

 

[Mowgli]

Ten people less than Kanye AND they were playing instruments.
I can understand the need for all of these musicians especially because EWF has
songs that are like full orchestral works and push the limits of what's expected out of
an R&B/Funk/Soul song.

Kanye on the other hand is using more samples than instruments and has 8 different producers
to one song at points.

Mixing and inspiration are important aspects of creating an album. Whatever gets the job done.

Ewf had a lot of wack songs. Kanye West does not

 

[spliz]

Kanye don't even got nothing in his entire discography remotely fukkin wit this.


Mike wrote AND composed this whole track. Did the arrangements as well. nikka was a trained songwriter. And nikkas wanna compare Kanye to this nikka? fukk outta here.

 

[dontreadthis]

oh shyt, Twista first name is CAVALIER???

 

[Wildin]

You are forgetting one important thing. kanyes sounds like shyt. No amount of crying on twitter, phony outrage, battling with white girls, changing dates will change that. His shyt just sucks.

Sucks compared to who in hip hop? Mims? Souljah Boy? Chingy? Chief Keef? D4L? Lil Mama? Kreayshawn?

Who are we comparing Kanye to and what is the basis? Who is making better albums? Better beats? Having better features? Winning more awards? There are tons of variables but no one is making a statement, just blanket general statements "Kanye sucks" Alright, thanks for your opinion but let's elaborate on that. If Kanye sucks and he is achieve and is maintaining that level of success then fukk...I want to suck too. If we are going to hold him to imaginary standards that nobody in the history of music has ever achieved then I'll just continue to be me.

You can argue that being a jack of all trades is a master of none, who do you value in high regard that makes beats and raps on their own shyt that has had success?

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

it could be 1 person or 100. as long as the album is dope.

 

[Czerka]

To add on to this the production credits for Dj Quik's last two albums :

The Book Of David

• Bun B - vocals
• Jon B. - vocals
• David Balfour - fender rhodes
• Bizzy Bone - vocals
• Jonathan "JP" Chavez - design, packaging
• Ice Cube - vocals
• Dwele - vocals
• Dave Foreman - bass, guitar, keyboards
• Suga Free - vocals
• BlaKKazz K.K. - vocals
• Kurupt - vocals
• Justin Li - A&R

• Kiki Luster - project assistant
• Terrace Martin - keyboards
• G-One - producer, vocals
• Jorge Peniche - design, packaging, photography
• DJ Quik - drum machine, drums, editing, engineer, executive producer, keyboards, mixing, pperation, pro-tools, producer, programming, sequencing
• Russell Redeaux - management
• Gift Reynolds - vocals
• Garry Shider - guitar, vocals
• Derrick "D-Loc" Walker - percussion
• William "Fuzzy Fantabulous" West - project assistant

The Midnight Life :

• Richie Abbott – Project Manager, Publicity
• Jason Allen – Keyboards
• Rob "Fonksta" Bacon – Bass, Composer, Featured Artist, Guitar, Moog Synthesizer
• David "Preach" Bal4 – Keyboards, Piano, Producer
• David Blake II – Drum Programming, Featured Artist, Keyboards, Programming, Vocals
• Tweed Cadillac – Vocals
• El DeBarge – Composer, Featured Artist, Keyboards
• DJ Quik – Bass, Drum Programming, Drums, Horn, Instrumentation, Keyboards, Primary Artist, Producer
• David Foreman – Bass, Guitar
• Eboni Foster – Vocals
• Kenya Frank – Photography
• Brian Gardner – Mastering

• Joi – Vocals
• Dom Kennedy – Vocals
• Bishop Lamont – Vocals
• Mack 10 – Vocals
• Marco Olivia – Design, Packaging
• Rillah – Photography
• Courtney Robertson – Guitar
• Keith Ross – Bass, Composer
• Stephen Sletten – Engineer
• Keisha Smith – Vocals
• Suga Free – Vocals
• Tayf3rd – Vocals
• D-Loc Walker – Drums

Remove the features and just look at the people credited as session musicians.
The bulk of the work Dj Quik does is handling pretty much all of the production
and song writing as well as writing all of his verses.
Then look at Kanye's credits for The Life Of Pablo.

The Life of Pablo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bu...buu..... you guys don't understand you need 50 people
just to get 12 tracks done otherwise you're recording in your cousin's basement !

dj quik sucks now though. doing shyt by yourself isnt impressive if you produce shyt

 

[Insensitive]

Mixing and inspiration are important aspects of creating an album. Whatever gets the job done.

Ewf had a lot of wack songs. Kanye West does not

EWF is easily Kanye's equal, hell, I'd go as far to say that they
shouldn't even be compared
Maurice White, Verdine White >>>. Kanye West

I mean this song alone is seeing just about anything
Kanye West and his army of producers and writers
have come up with.