So are you a fan of the "new" WWE style?

[Playaz Eyez]

I always shat on Cole for this, but now that I think about it, hes seeing the same bullshyt every week with 0 storylines for how many years? shyt is garbage.

Also what I noticed is that these undercard and mid card guys are getting way too much time on PPV's. These are the matches that are doing all the false finishes and finisher kick outs that drain you and make the main event matches meaningless. Look at match times on old WWE/WWF PPV's, only main events get 17-20 minutes, rest are getting 6-10 minutes at best. What it really comes down to is we may like wrestling but we dont give a fukk about matches as much as we thought we did, especially when everything is obvious as all hell.

Really good point here. There's a lot of aimless matches getting loads of time. Matches need to get time like that if they will actually mean something, not just cause you can. I'm fine with a 15 minute match on Superstars between randoms, because they will hardly get that on Raw/SD much less a PPV. The biggest problem is really the characters within those matches --- there really are none.

I'm scrolling back PPVs myself right now:

Chyna/Jericho/Hardcore Holly IC title - 7 minutes
Hardyz/Dudleyz tables match - 10 minutes
Eddie/Essa Rios European title match - 8 minutes
Jericho/Benoit/X-Pac/Eddie IC title match - 12 minutes
Tazz/APA vs Right To Censor - 4 minutes
D'Lo Brown vs X-Pac - 8 minutes

Very lengthy matches don't automatically mean very good, you just have to be sure that the match means something (especially for a PPV) with the time you are allotted. Look at the Tazz/APA vs RTC match from WM 17. I've re-watched that several times over the years, and that shyt was probably the most exciting action packed 4 minutes I've ever seen the crowd was nuclear hot, and was invested in everybody. Actual characters + action packed matches >>>> no characters + lengthy matches

 

[stro]

Really good point here. There's a lot of aimless matches getting loads of time. Matches need to get time like that if they will actually mean something, not just cause you can. I'm fine with a 15 minute match on Superstars between randoms, because they will hardly get that on Raw/SD much less a PPV. The biggest problem is really the characters within those matches --- there really are none.

I'm scrolling back PPVs myself right now:

Chyna/Jericho/Hardcore Holly IC title - 7 minutes
Hardyz/Dudleyz tables match - 10 minutes
Eddie/Essa Rios European title match - 8 minutes
Jericho/Benoit/X-Pac/Eddie IC title match - 12 minutes
Tazz/APA vs Right To Censor - 4 minutes
D'Lo Brown vs X-Pac - 8 minutes

Very lengthy matches don't automatically mean very good, you just have to be sure that the match means something (especially for a PPV) with the time you are allotted. Look at the Tazz/APA vs RTC match from WM 17. I've re-watched that several times over the years, and that shyt was probably the most exciting action packed 4 minutes I've ever seen the crowd was nuclear hot, and was invested in everybody. Actual characters + action packed matches >>>> no characters + lengthy matches

Lol I was dying watching WM 17 recently and seeing Tazz being so out of shape that he couldn't even run the ropes without falling. Multiple times.

 

[PopOnCloud9]

The WWE style is dope to watch but there's no logic or emotional investment behind it. Signatures moves ironically look better than finishers, the suicide dive is literally the equivalent of a DDT, the superkick is as commonplace as a drop kick now. A prime example of this is Balor vs. Rollins at Summer Slam it was a good match that I wish ended sooner or I had some fukkery just to break up the monotony. They don't give us a reason to be invested in a guy other than the guy can wrestle his as off. Right now fans are latching to anything that actually excudes depth and development. Proof of this is basically watching Heath Slater's storyline being one of most interesting developments since the draft.

 

[Jmare007]

It was a pretty close vote 6 months ago. Considering one of the big things about this style is the tendency to burn people out (I fall in that category) I wonder if the people that liked it or loved it in October still feel the same :mmmmm: