So Biggie stole his whole style, name and song from a breh in Mississippi

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

I always skipped Juicy on the album. Worst cut on a near perfect album. This version is better.

When Juicy first dropped I thought it was wack. It was his debut single and he rapping like he’s a millionaire and on his 3rd or 4th album. When I heard unbelievable that’s when I decided to give the album a shot.

 

[Braman]

so, are we really supposed to believe this story
when James Mtume whom actually was the musical Director for the hit TV show ‘New York Undercover’ which was Andre Harrell creation/control & puff mentor … that was how puff & Mtume got together and as they say the rest is history


we don’t believe you
you need more people

Cmon now, the dude B1 said he just rapped to the beat. He a country ngga from Mississippi with a partner named TILLIDIE, he obviously wasnt goin in the studio with Mtume

Probably didn’t even get it cleared. On the other hand Puff had the resources to do all that. How you call a man liar when there’s overt tangible facts to back him up. The literal song in the OP, and others a quick Google search away:

 

[DrexlersFade]

Cmon now, the dude B1 said he just rapped to the beat. He a country ngga from Mississippi with a partner named TILLIDIE, he obviously wasnt goin in the studio with Mtume

Probably didn’t even get it cleared. On the other hand Puff had the resources to do all that. How you call a man liar when there’s overt tangible facts to back him up. The literal song in the OP, and others a quick Google search away:

These dudes idiots and dikkriders Puff stole that shyt period.

 

[Braman]

Keep in mind that song is dedicated to him being a lost homeless Louisiana drug addict and coming to Harlem NY and becoming a Five Percent…Before going to Chicago and becoming a FOI.

When confronted about that he had no argument and acknowledged he himself sounds like an East coast artist.

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Not to mention his entire debut album has more Jay Z (Brooklyn New York) lines than his own.

Terrible messenger.

Nah that would be Richard Pryor.

From what we now understand, it might have been more than an idea.

Aye chill

 

[The Phoenix]

Biggie Smalls is from a 70's movie, "Let's Do It Again".

Fred.

The 2:00 to 2:45 mark is gonna make your day. Bill was ready to drug a bytch.

 

[Big Boss]

 

[NYChase718]

Most likely Diddy behind it

 

[Save $ not Hoes]

Mandela shyt Guess I got to get used to it

 

[Knicksman20]

You can tell who was around when this dropped and who wasn't lol. This nonsense was shutdown in the Booth & now clowns want it to gain traction here pushing this weak narrative. Big had his name in 92 but if you really wanna get technical like what was posted in the Booth, his 89 freestyle on the corner in Bedstuy when he was 17 shows he was calling himself Big back then. So was that bama rapper copying him after seeing this freestyle lol? Stupid shyt and a lot of you are reaching or don't know your history. And watching that freestyle Big flowed in a similar fashion to how he was when he first dropped and a lot of other rappers like Treach used that same cadence.

Like @hex said everyone was using popular samples from the 80's & this was no exception. All you have to do is go to who sampled and see how many times it was used (112) at least 12 times before B1 and that's only what's recorded on that site

 

[Michael's Black Son]

But he didn’t have a hit single. Jucy basically made him.

Yup. Dolly My Baby and Party & Bullshyt were marginal (even tho we love them) and him getting his feet wet to a degree but his flows/themes on both of those are different from Juicy and everything on Ready to Die.

You can tell Puff and the crew went back to the table so they could tweak the formula a bit. Juicy had a VERY familiar sample, sing song hook and subject material that softened up the darker content that came once the album dropped.

It worked. In turn, Craig Mack got tossed to the bushes and you wonder why he never got a similar adjustment to his own career.

 

[Another Man]

MC Thick

 

[hex]

You can tell who was around when this dropped and who wasn't lol. This nonsense was shutdown in the Booth & now clowns want it to gain traction here pushing this weak narrative. Big had his name in 92 but if you really wanna get technical like what was posted in the Booth, his 89 freestyle on the corner in Bedstuy when was 17 shows he was calling himself Big back then. So was that bama rapper copying him after seeing this freestyle lol? Stupid shyt and a lot of you are reaching or don't know your history. And watching that freestyle Big flowed in a similar fashion to how he was when he first dropped and a lot of other rappers like Treach used that same cadence.

Like @hex said everyone was using popular samples from the 80's & this was no exception. All you have to do is go to who sampled and see how many times it was used (112) at least 12 times before B1 and that's only what's recorded on that site

Yeah I dunno what buddy was talking about.

"A lot of songs used the same sample" cannot be debated. It's objective reality. I could list dozens of examples off the top of my head.

Hell, if you deviated too much from what everyone else was sampling you ran the risk of being considered weird. De La Soul in particular comes to mind., I remember one of my teachers played the Turtles record De La sampled and we were sitting there like

Fred.

 

[kingofnyc]

Cmon now, the dude B1 said he just rapped to the beat. He a country ngga from Mississippi with a partner named TILLIDIE, he obviously wasnt goin in the studio with Mtume

Probably didn’t even get it cleared. On the other hand Puff had the resources to do all that. How you call a man liar when there’s overt tangible facts to back him up. The literal song in the OP, and others a quick Google search away:

These dudes idiots and dikkriders Puff stole that shyt period.

see this is the bullshyt about these type of revisionist history stories

the fact of the matter is Pete Rock from day fukking one has always said he created the song juicy for biggie and puff stole it from him and allowed Trackmasters to produce this song which made his relationship with puff rocky due to Rock being Heavy D’s first cousin and Heavy D being one of puffs closest friends and all of them being from Mount Vernon

with that said …. defeats the purpose of this new story by this Notorious B1 character

 

[Stir Fry]

I'll believe this over folks saying big jacked his flow from MC Thick from New Orleans

MC what?

 

[invalid]

so, are we really supposed to believe this story
when James Mtume whom actually was the musical Director for the hit TV show ‘New York Undercover’ which was Andre Harrell creation/control & puff mentor … that was how puff & Mtume got together and as they say the rest is history


we don’t believe you
you need more people

Not ascertaining the credibleness of the claim but what incentive does Mtume have to discredit Biggie when his name is affiliated with one of the greatest hip hop acts of all time?