so D Bry already surpassed HBK

[Sypress]

OP is right though

Name one thing Hickenbottom did better than the American Dragon.

Crowd reaction? Bryan is more over right now than Michaels ever dreamed of being in his career.

Signature moves? Flying headbutt/suicide dive/YES kicks/YES lock/Running knee >> Superkick/Flying elbow

Mic work? Bryan is no Rocky on the mic, but I'll take him over Shawn's gravely, drugged out voice any day. Shawn was wack as fukk on the mic.

MAYBE Michaels gets the edge in his selling ability.. he bounced around like a pinball like nobody I've ever seen, but right now... yeah.. you would have to say Bryan has surpassed him.

Michaels had four classic matches when he came back from the back injury to the time he retired -- both Undertaker matches, vs. Cena on RAW and vs. Shelton Benjamin on RAW.

Bryan has had four classic matches IN THE LAST YEAR ALONE.

Stop it

Signature moves: HBK >>>> Dbry
flying elbow, kip up, elbow drop, sweet chin music>>>>>>>>>anything dbry does

dbry is weak on the mic, that is well known around here. shawn michaels during his comeback run was some of his best work....his feud with jbl/taker provided better mic work than anything dbry has produced

dbry doesn't sell like michaels. so many times have i seen dbry on his ROH and not sell "injuries".

only four classic matches?

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Stop it

Signature moves: HBK >>>> Dbry
flying elbow, kip up, elbow drop, sweet chin music>>>>>>>>>anything dbry does

dbry is weak on the mic, that is well known around here. shawn michaels during his comeback run was some of his best work....his feud with jbl/taker provided better mic work than anything dbry has produced

dbry doesn't sell like michaels. so many times have i seen dbry on his ROH and not sell "injuries".

only four classic matches?

you listed the elbow twice for Michaels.

Here's where you can draw the line in the sand.. Bryan's offense is better than Michaels. Frankly I don't see how anyone could deny this. Michaels' offense was weak. Bryan can attack you from so many different ways.. kicks, submissions, high-flying moves and he has the perfect out-of-nowhere finisher in the running knee.

Michaels you could say has better selling ability. But he looked great because he got to go against bigger guys like Vader and Undertaker. Let's see Bryan face Brock and then see what we think about his selling ability.

So after that it's a 1-1 tie.. well what's the tiebreaker? Mic work? Neither are great on the mic. Charisma? It factor? Bryan is a bigger star right now than Michaels ever was. This is fact.

Classic matches? Name other classics Michaels had besides the four I named. Jericho at WM 19 is not a classic. Neither is Flair at WM 24. So don't bother naming those.

 

[Henzo]

bryan hasn't even had a classic match in wwe yet

nobody is going to remember any of his wwe matches in 20 years

 

[StatUS]

Love it.

 

[MushroomX]

These troll posts are getting humorous by the day Breh is giving us pattycake rhetorical questions. Now though he is comparing HBGoat vs. Bryan. Two different style. If at most it's Daniel Bryan vs. Chris Benoit, because HBK was all about Showmanship.

The only person that you can matchup is HBGoat vs. Flair.

 

[Henzo]

Bryan stans need to remember

a) HBK is the reason he got hired in the first place
b) HBK had to save his heat last year after he got jobbed out to Randy Orton
c) CM Punk dissed HHH by walking out, so HHH made Bryan to spite Punk
d) Until recently Bryan has been support on the Cena Show
e) 33 years old and no 5 star matches

 

[Wacky D]

I'm a huge Daniel Bryan fan like a lot of folks on here and an proud to see him get his shine on, but he hasn't passed Shawn. To say he won't pass him is yet to be determined. He is a great technical wrestler and ring technician but give him some time before you put him up there with the greats. He's not cracking the top five yet.

i didnt see anybody say that hes top 5. just people saying that he surpassed hbk's ass.

and why are people acting like danielson is some new jack? the stuff hes propped up for now, is lightweight compared to his previous works.(edit: nevermind on this part. i saw your following post & dapped it).

 

[FreshAIG]

He is more technically skilled than Shawn and Bret[DOUBLEPOST=1397397404][/DOUBLEPOST]

OP is right though

Name one thing Hickenbottom did better than the American Dragon.

Crowd reaction? Bryan is more over right now than Michaels ever dreamed of being in his career.

Signature moves? Flying headbutt/suicide dive/YES kicks/YES lock/Running knee >> Superkick/Flying elbow

Mic work? Bryan is no Rocky on the mic, but I'll take him over Shawn's gravely, drugged out voice any day. Shawn was wack as fukk on the mic.

MAYBE Michaels gets the edge in his selling ability.. he bounced around like a pinball like nobody I've ever seen, but right now... yeah.. you would have to say Bryan has surpassed him.

Michaels had four classic matches when he came back from the back injury to the time he retired -- both Undertaker matches, vs. Cena on RAW and vs. Shelton Benjamin on RAW.

Bryan has had four classic matches IN THE LAST YEAR ALONE.

You forgetting his match with Jericho at WM. That might be top 5 best matches he ever had

 

[mannyrs13]

Now that I've been convinced by the OP and art barr, I do wonder what if tho. What if hbk wouldn't have missed that time due to injury? That was around the time rock and Austin were the top stars correct? Would it be different then? Also think what if Daniel Bryan stayed with wwe the whole time and didn't get fired with the Justin Roberts incident? That probably would've convinced more posters. I never saw his indy work and had took a break from wrestling from after the brand split until raw after summerslam 2011, when Nash attacked punk. So I missed his beginnings at wwe which is why I was more biased to Shawn at first. And many others here disagree with you and I can see where there coming from. It's a tough comparison since Shawn was more of a showman and headlined all those wrestlemanias. I think if Daniel Bryan would've been in wwe the whole time, more posters would see where you're coming from. Hopefully he gets the opportunity to main event or be in the top matches for a few years.[DOUBLEPOST=1397402858][/DOUBLEPOST]I'm not sure if I agree about the bret part tho. It's debatable.

 

[Francis White]

again,...
bryan danieson's resume from top to bottom, before Daniel bryan has more higher quality moments.
yet, when you add in the db accomplishments.
it is a no brainer...

bryan Danielson to db is legitimately the greatest indy hero to save wrasslin after the fall from the last boom period.

hbk, does not have the full resume and full accomplishments/facts in timeline form to win the argument.
when, compared to Danielson....



art barr

can someone translate this post? You ramble way too much. Daniel is great but he has along way to go to surpass HBK . Now deal with that while rambling in the nursing home today.

 

[Art Barr]

Now that I've been convinced by the OP and art barr, I do wonder what if tho. What if hbk wouldn't have missed that time due to injury? That was around the time rock and Austin were the top stars correct? Would it be different then? Also think what if Daniel Bryan stayed with wwe the whole time and didn't get fired with the Justin Roberts incident? That probably would've convinced more posters. I never saw his indy work and had took a break from wrestling from after the brand split until raw after summerslam 2011, when Nash attacked punk. So I missed his beginnings at wwe which is why I was more biased to Shawn at first. And many others here disagree with you and I can see where there coming from. It's a tough comparison since Shawn was more of a showman and headlined all those wrestlemanias. I think if Daniel Bryan would've been in wwe the whole time, more posters would see where you're coming from. Hopefully he gets the opportunity to main event or be in the top matches for a few years.[DOUBLEPOST=1397402858][/DOUBLEPOST]I'm not sure if I agree about the bret part tho. It's debatable.

db is much better than Bret was a long time ago as well.
only people who don't undestand that.
use wwe bias as false claim to legitimize their false stance via arguement.
so, just appease those aficionados, for the sake of their one sided arguement.
I am glad this thread was made, after db's triumph.
yet, this comparison and their stance was debunked by me in this community close to five years ago.
then again, when Bryan first entered the wwe via the neutered Daniel Bryan character.
where the arguement was given the let him succeed in the wwe variable by naysayers.
now, that Bryan has surpassed both Bret and hbk in shorter order.
with an even more robust glass ceiling.
my stance on the facts about Bryan being superior to hbk and Bret is completely actualized on all parameters.



Art Barr

hbk, even in what if fashion.
does not have the long term timeline of quality or success in tags or in singles action.
to match, d.bry's success in either capacity as a performer.
plus, hbk's model as a performer is based on west Texas redneck drawing principles.
where psychology is wholely limited from the style and most importantly the finish.
so, hbk even injured would never had the actual psychology via style to mach bryan's match workrate and quality.
on top of the fact Bryan sells better than hbk as well.
plus, can also do the west Texas match and finish better than hbk and the clique member's as well.
as illustrate in his wwe tenure.
where the clique smashmouth me style is solely based on the west Texas style.
this forum's adulation of hbk is more boyhood fandom and infatuations. Than actual factual knowledge as a smart.
it would be like me trying to authenicate hogun.
wholey as a entertainer and his workrate, erroneously.
over flair all because I grew up watching hogun first and if I never switched the channel.

Art Barr

 

[Lewis Black]

HBK at 32 = Certified Legend/Hottest era in wrestling ever/His Prime

Daniel Bryan at 32 = Yes man

 

[Jmare007]

This discussion will be fun down the line [DOUBLEPOST=1397410997][/DOUBLEPOST]

HBK at 32 = Certified Legend/Hottest era in wrestling ever/His Prime

Daniel Bryan at 32 = Yes man

He was retired during that time breh.

 

[Lewis Black]

This discussion will be fun down the line [DOUBLEPOST=1397410997][/DOUBLEPOST]

He was retired during that time breh.

1996-2002 Was wrestling at its peak. Shawn participated in 2 of those years

 

[Wacky D]

Now that I've been convinced by the OP and art barr, I do wonder what if tho. What if hbk wouldn't have missed that time due to injury? That was around the time rock and Austin were the top stars correct? Would it be different then?

those horrible ppvs that the wwf was cranking out wouldve been better with hbk on the card but real spit, the wwf wouldnt have flourished like it did if hbk was still around with pull.

if he stayed healthy, i think that once the wwf passed the torch to austin & rock, hbk wouldve eventually jumped ship to wcw and got exposed like bret hart.

1996-2002 Was wrestling at its peak. Shawn participated in 2 of those years

no it wasnt.

wrestling at its peak is arguable depending on how long youve been watching.

but i think youre referring to the last boom period, which was '96 - early '01. and wcw is responsible for starting it. hbk never wrestled there. and the wwf didnt hit its stride until '98 after hbk was forced to retire. he wasnt apart of the wwf's business peak at all.