So it begins- Wendy's To Switch To Self Ordering and Automation To Avoid $15/hr Wage hike

[Apollo Creed]

Exactly - the cost is built in to the price of the service.

Point is that you don't employ people just for the sake of creating employment. You always seek to maximize efficiency. That's what technology has done for the world and it's a great thing. if a computer can take your order and you are not losing anything as a customer, then that's better for everyone. The money that would have been paid to those workers is being paid to better skilled workers to maintain and continuously improve these devices.

yea pretty much I see it being machine run, and you will just have 1-2 operators who may be managers or not there to make sure everything runs ok, and those humans will make more money but there will be far less positions in the industry. When you think of what technology is capable of you would be foolish to think companies aren't thinking of a way to remove humans as machines can work more and are more efficient and dont require benefits.

 

[mson]

Organize labor is almost like a double edge sword but I rather have it than not.



So why is union participation declining so rapidly? Private sector union membership reached a peak of about 35 percent of the labor force in the 1950s, The New York Times reports. Since then, labor unions have steadily become smaller as many states have rolled out new laws limiting union power.

Young millennials' disenchantment with organized labor may also be an important contributor to its decline. From 2002 to 2012, union members ages 16 to 24 fell by 26 percent. That's double the decline in union membership for all workers, according to Quartz.

That said, younger generations may have a good reason to be less than eager to join a union. Studies have discovered that during the economic recovery, non-union workers fared considerably better than union workers in fields like manufacturing and private construction. Also, during the 1982 and 1991 recessions, states with fewer union members were found to recover more quickly than states with a strong union presence.

One Totally Overlooked Middle Class Problem

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Hey someone. Please post the example of a country with strong working-class and middle-class incomes that doesn't have either:

a) a high minimum wage

or

b) strong unions setting high wages


I'm waiting.

Why do corporate fat cats keep thinking that we need to emulate unregulated hellholes rather than emulated the happiest and most evenly-developed companies in the world?

Oh, I know. Because the shyt those fat cats be pushing is best for those on the very top, and absolutely no one else.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Let me say again. Food Bill, US Trade Law, US Aid Law, Corporate Lobbying and the Revolving Door, Corporate Tax Breaks, and Massive Government Contracts.

And you're talking about needing the game to be rigged. Who needs the game to be rigged again?

Corporations aren't immune to that rule. But you can't complain about shyt like corporate lobbying and then champion a $15 minimum wage.

As you say, like the rest of the developed world. You can't take a global phenomenon and then try to claim it shows some weakness in one particular country. Germany's manufacturing sector has still been more stable in recent decades than the American manufacturing sector, and overall status of workers there has remained consistently higher even in the face of some decline in manufacturing.

Germany is part of that phenomenon. Seems like you want to cite Germany's success and downplay its failures in ways that are convenient to your agenda. Look at the surprise on my face

All those worker "protections" in Germany are why they are building BMWs in Mexico. Ultimately high labor costs kill profits which kill jobs. Instead of trying to hold a labor market fixed in a changing world we should be helping those workers become more adaptive. You are the kind of dude who would be rallying for an operator's union when the rotary phone came out Cant let employers abuse workers but protections shouldn't come at the expense of allowing the labor force to adapt

 

[mson]

Corporations aren't immune to that rule. But you can't complain about shyt like corporate lobbying and then champion a $15 minimum wage.


Germany is part of that phenomenon. Seems like you want to cite Germany's success and downplay its failures in ways that are convenient to your agenda. Look at the surprise on my face

All those worker "protections" in Germany are why they are building BMWs in Mexico. Ultimately high labor costs kill profits which kill jobs. Instead of trying to hold a labor market fixed in a changing world we should be helping those workers become more adaptive. You are the kind of dude who would be rallying for an operator's union when the rotary phone came out Cant let employers abuse workers but protections shouldn't come at the expense of allowing the labor force to adapt

How do we do that?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Breh :scumbag:

McDonalds is in bad shape.

Just cause you see people going to McDonalds doesnt mean shyt. Less people are going to McDonalds and going to places like Chipotle and Five Guys and shyt instead. You get actual real food for the same $$$, its a no brainer. They are in a weak position as is.... prices go up, that is all the more reason for people to dump McDs for real food.

Really the only reason McDonalds is surviving is because of their coverage.... there are a lot of places where fast food joints are the ONLY places to eat. And even then, for me at least, McDonalds is on the bottom of the list.

So naw this idea that McDonalds would be immune to price hikes is BS... they are already in a bad space.... price hikes would be the nail in the coffin

Well. First you said people wouldn't pay 9-11 bucks for a McD's when they do... All Day Every Day... Second, McDonalds is not in "bad" shape, what's happening is that young people with means\transportation don't fukk with McD's like that.. and when I say young I mean 18-21... McDs is losing that crowd...

But with that being said, McDs can still afford to pay their workers 10 dollars hourly in the south with minimal price increase....

And what about Chik Fil A? or Five Guys? They pay minimum wage to 8 bucks as well and they can definitely afford to spike the wage to 10-11 dollars...

The list goes on and on

 

[Carlos Huerta]

Hey someone. Please post the example of a country with strong working-class and middle-class incomes that doesn't have either:

a) a high minimum wage

or

b) strong unions setting high wages


I'm waiting.

Why do corporate fat cats keep thinking that we need to emulate unregulated hellholes rather than emulated the happiest and most evenly-developed companies in the world?

Oh, I know. Because the shyt those fat cats be pushing is best for those on the very top, and absolutely no one else.

There has to be some sort of balance, my man. Those of us in favor of automating processes are not promoting "unregulated hellholes".

 

[Houston911]

If fast food places paid more then their employees would steal less

My cousin used to make like 125-150 a night off not charging people for food

 

[Data-Hawk]

Breh :scumbag:

McDonalds is in bad shape.

Just cause you see people going to McDonalds doesnt mean shyt. Less people are going to McDonalds and going to places like Chipotle and Five Guys and shyt instead. You get actual real food for the same $$$, its a no brainer. They are in a weak position as is.... prices go up, that is all the more reason for people to dump McDs for real food.

Really the only reason McDonalds is surviving is because of their coverage.... there are a lot of places where fast food joints are the ONLY places to eat. And even then, for me at least, McDonalds is on the bottom of the list.

So naw this idea that McDonalds would be immune to price hikes is BS... they are already in a bad space.... price hikes would be the nail in the coffin

Speaking of chipotle , they have a app where you can place your Order ahead of time and skip the line. Everytime I used the app they mess my order up.lol

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Damn Gina, your arguments are horrible.

Corporations aren't immune to that rule. But you can't complain about shyt like corporate lobbying and then champion a $15 minimum wage.

That doesn't make any sense.

Corporate lobbying FAR outpaces worker lobbying. So right now, the balance is way, way off, and that is reflected in our legal system.

Getting a living wage as the minimum would be a drop in the bucket compared to the favors that corporations have already been able to get.

It's like you're saying, "You can't complain about my $100,000 bonus unless you give up asking for your $100 bonus!" The issue isn't that no one should be able to request something from the government. It's that corporate heads are working outside the public system in order to get FAR more from the government than workers are getting.

Germany is part of that phenomenon. Seems like you want to cite Germany's success and downplay its failures in ways that are convenient to your agenda. Look at the surprise on my face

This is an intelligent conversation. High school level tactics won't work here.

I show you something that Germany does better than the USA. You reply with, "BUT BUT BUT their economy isn't perfect!" by pointing out that they have a problem...when the USA has that same problem, only worse.

It's like ridiculing someone when their rushing average drops from 5ypc to 4ypc in the rain...when everyone else's average dropped to 3 ypc.

If you want to actually do a meaningful comparison, then show how Germany's working-class workers are worse off than the USA's working class workers. Just showing that their situation ain't perfect, when it's far better than the American situation, is an exercise in futility.

All those worker "protections" in Germany are why they are building BMWs in Mexico. Ultimately high labor costs kill profits which kill jobs. I

No, it's not, because the exact same thing happened in every developed country whether they had strong worker protections or not.

No matter what, a wealthy country will have higher labor costs than an impoverished country. You can't change that unless you maintain a slave base. Arguing that Germany has higher labor costs than Mexico is ridiculous when every developed country in the world has higher labor costs than Mexico.

Cant let employers abuse workers but protections shouldn't come at the expense of allowing the labor force to adapt

If they're paying them less than a living wage, they're abusing them. Pretty much by definition. You have to at least get paid enough to live on. It's ridiculous stupid that we support a system where the only way many workers can live is by going without health care, forcing both parents to work at the expense of the children, and/or getting some form of welfare from the government.

 

[Zero]

Absolutely terrible

 

[Houston911]

Haircuts cost 20-30 dollars now

You shouldnt have to spend w hours of a paycheck on a haircut

I wanna see a higher minimum wage for sure

 

[Professor Emeritus]

There has to be some sort of balance, my man. Those of us in favor of automating processes are not promoting "unregulated hellholes".

Yes, there needs to be some sort of balance. We had that balance in the 1950s and 1960s, when the economy was doing great WHILE corporate regulation was strong and corporate/wealthy taxes were high AND worker wages were fantastic. The working class did just awesome in the 1960s, especially when Kennedy/Johnson were president. Minimum wage and average wage were both much higher than they are today.

That was also the stage in US history that the population in general was happiest and had the lowest incidence of mental health issues, FWIW.

Every since corporate deregulation and tax breaks for the wealthy became a huge thing in the 1980s, the state of working-class people has been stagnating or dropping while the profits of the top 1%, top 0.1%, and top 0.01% have been shooting through the roof.

I suggest you read Larry Bartel's "Unequal Democracy" for a run-down of take-home income from the late 1940s through the mid-2000s. He tracks who made what kinds of incomes at different times, and how the economy was doing during those times. The crazy thing is that from 2006 (the end of his data) through 2015, the situation has only multiplied.

 

[PortCityProphet]

let me just say about touch screens:

is anyone here prepared to use a touch screen in a fukkin wendys to order food, and then eat that food with your hands

I know you white so you probably don't do this but a lot of people wash their hands before they eat

 

[the cac mamba]

I know you white so you probably don't do this but a lot of people wash their hands before they eat

thats what im sayin. the line is gonna be a line at the touch screen, and then a line at the bathroom to wash your fukkin hands? seems wack to me