So it begins- Wendy's To Switch To Self Ordering and Automation To Avoid $15/hr Wage hike

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Who the fukk would pay $10-11 for a fast food meal

They would go out of business overnight

Then that $12-15 would drop to $0

Yall dont understand business

Its you who is out of touch and tries to mask it with self proclaimed insight....

Any nikka(may not apply to you) has been in McDs and seen a gang of folks(and I mean plenty) drop 8-9 dollars on a meal...... PLENTY... shyt aint even debatable.... So if they'll pay 9 now, they'll pay 10 later...

Do you frequent fast food joints at all......?

 

[Carlos Huerta]

And you did it again!

Anyone can look at the last two pages and see that you don't know shyt about what the words "capitalism", "socialism", "entitlements", or "deserve" actually mean.

Most business owners do not pay salaries based on "skill involved and margins needed to sustain the business". They pay salaries based on "lowest the market for that skill will bear while avoiding government legal action against them". Many high-skill jobs pay low salaries and many low-skill jobs pay high salaries, because of the current available market. And business owners OFTEN pay


And the "growth growth growth!" mantra is stupid as shyt. Look at the fukking world right now. You really think that we can keep sustaining growth? Start thinking about fukking sustainability, not incessant growth in a world of non-renewable resources (most importantly land, clean air, clean water, minerals, and topsoil).



I have plenty of friends who have done shyt like that and who are doing just fine right now. And in the long run, paying an employee a sustainable wage can be more successful than paying an unsustainable wage.

Let's pretend that your example is real. If I paid a higher wage than my competition, my employees would actually stay with me, as opposed to other call centers where there is constant turnover because employees are always trying to find better jobs. My employees would likely to be happier at work because I gave a shyt about them rather than just low-balling them. Their stress levels would be lower because their needs at home would actually be being taken care of. And since I was keeping employees for many years, their skill and experience level would only increase, rather than my competitors who have to constantly retrain.

If you pay the lowest wages you can, employee turnover is high, employee moral is low, employee stress/health levels are generally higher, and you're constantly having to re-train young workers who are only angling to move on as soon as they can.

So why do so many employers do it? Because management tenures are so short (the average lifespan of a CEO is only a few years nowadays) and because stockholder demands are so short-term. Companies are constantly sacrificing low-term well-being of their workers in favor of short-term gains.

It's not like this everywhere. Germany, for instance, expressly promotes a "stakeholder-based" economic system rather than a "stockholder-based" economic system. That's one reason Germany's manufacturing quality is so high - because they give a shyt about their workers. At the same time that their companies are producing with higher standards, they're also providing a better life for their low-wage workers and their overall economic health is still fine.

We're talking about two different things here. I agree with you that you can and should pay higher wages in comparison to your competitors in order to keep your talent. That's obvious. Apple and Google pay higher wages to the very high skilled geeks and also outsources the production of its product to China for very cheap.

This thread is about low-skilled work being replaced by automation - basically the core of the industrial revolution.

I don't agree that we need to give up on targeting growth.

 

[ℒine ☈acks]

If you need the game to be rigged to win u deserve to lose. A $15 minimum wage is just that. nikkas need to dream bigger than working the fries

game is already rigged...just not for the wage earners

 

[the cac mamba]

let me just say about touch screens:

is anyone here prepared to use a touch screen in a fukkin wendys to order food, and then eat that food with your hands

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

It's not like this everywhere. Germany, for instance, expressly promotes a "stakeholder-based" economic system rather than a "stockholder-based" economic system. That's one reason Germany's manufacturing quality is so high - because they give a shyt about their workers. At the same time that their companies are producing with higher standards, they're also providing a better life for their low-wage workers and their overall economic health is still fine.

Germany's manufacturing sector, like the rest of the developed world, is in decline in output

Manufacturing’s Declining Share of GDP is a Global Phenomenon, and It’s Something to Celebrate

German auto makers have been fleeing Germany for decades with regards to manufacturing at home.... its too fukking expensive and it kills their competitiveness

'Made in Germany' loses more luster as BMW, Audi, M-B expand footprints

There is a balance and I think it's favored against workers. But higher wages aren't the answer. $15/hr, you still can't afford healthcare, college... you can't move, no company is going to pay to relocate you at that pay grade etc. Instead of forcing companies to overpay for jobs that are going to be done by machines soon we should be focusing empowering workers with training, education and proections from poverty (i.e. the spectre of bankruptcy from a hospital stay) so that they arent so dependent on employers in the first place. This is EXACTLY what I said would happen with this shyt.

 

[Wild self]

So if everything is automated and outsourced, who will be the customers since none of us will have jobs?

Let me guess, robots will be the customers also.

Basic income from the government

What's the median income of the average American family? $15 is a lot in america.

 

[sayyestothis]

LOL. They're willing to automate the cashier and spend that money to then renovate all these locations instead of a pay raise.

They will recoup pretty quick especially if Min wage gets raised the way people think...

Me personally thinks this is BS. People that work entry level jobs that require no skill shouldn't be making more...too much entitlement.

If people want higher wages get a better job, invest in yourself or walk multiple entry level jobs.

Entitlement is killing our society and it's a shame IMO.

 

[Data-Hawk]

that sounds terrible

Breh. It is. I feel like blowing my brains out half the time. Everybody here is as nice as can be. But imagine coming to work and never talking about sports,music or any type of entertainment.

Only talked about basketball one time and that was when Jeremy Lin went on his little run.

 

[Wild self]

We need more unions...

You the only person that said that we need more unions. Too much private sector fukkery without oversight.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Its you who is out of touch and tries to mask it with self proclaimed insight....

Any nikka(may not apply to you) has been in McDs and seen a gang of folks(and I mean plenty) drop 8-9 dollars on a meal...... PLENTY... shyt aint even debatable.... So if they'll pay 9 now, they'll pay 10 later...

Do you frequent fast food joints at all......?

Breh :scumbag:

McDonalds is in bad shape.

Just cause you see people going to McDonalds doesnt mean shyt. Less people are going to McDonalds and going to places like Chipotle and Five Guys and shyt instead. You get actual real food for the same $$$, its a no brainer. They are in a weak position as is.... prices go up, that is all the more reason for people to dump McDs for real food.

Really the only reason McDonalds is surviving is because of their coverage.... there are a lot of places where fast food joints are the ONLY places to eat. And even then, for me at least, McDonalds is on the bottom of the list.

So naw this idea that McDonalds would be immune to price hikes is BS... they are already in a bad space.... price hikes would be the nail in the coffin

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Basic income from the government

And where will the government get that money?

 

[CoolazzFemale]

Guess the frosty I bought yesterday will be my last.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

If you need the game to be rigged to win u deserve to lose. A $15 minimum wage is just that. nikkas need to dream bigger than working the fries

Let me say again. Food Bill, US Trade Law, US Aid Law, Corporate Lobbying and the Revolving Door, Corporate Tax Breaks, and Massive Government Contracts.

And you're talking about needing the game to be rigged. Who needs the game to be rigged again?

Germany's manufacturing sector, like the rest of the developed world, is in decline in output

As you say, like the rest of the developed world. You can't take a global phenomenon and then try to claim it shows some weakness in one particular country. Germany's manufacturing sector has still been more stable in recent decades than the American manufacturing sector, and overall status of workers there has remained consistently higher even in the face of some decline in manufacturing.

 

[aXiom]

It doesnt work like that though, should it be that everyone can get a job and live of it... of course. But again go back 10 messages when I said most americans live beyond their means, doesnt matter if they are making $20k or 200k. I know somoene who makes over 150k a year as a finance manager and is BROKE... drives a shytty car and has no money.. Who is to be the judge as to what people need to "live"

So you are ok with McD's just closing down rather then sticking with their current payroll?
Here is a little fun fact... "McDonald's hires around 1 million workers in the US every year"

So again... rather then giving the 1million people per year a chance at a paycheck, you are ok with them just closing shop instead like BB and CC and The Wiz and so on? How does that help?

The fact is not everyone needs $15hr, not everyone is pissed at McD's that currently works for them. This is more of a greedy piece of shyt suit party trying to make a stance, none of them every have, would work for McD's nor will they have a family member do so. So like you, they also wouldn't care if it bankrupts McD's, they wouldn't care about those million people per year that gets an opportunity. They want touch screen kiosks, and the quickest way to it is to pretend like these works NEED $15+hr min, so they can say no its not possible, we will get kiosks.... Done...

They are using the common person as a tool for their own agenda, neither side gives a fukk about our minimum wage, they use it to spark interest. You have people here talking about you need $15hr to live, well it depends how you live, I couldn't live off of $15hr yet i know some friends that would be happy as shyt to make $15hr. We need to stop pretending there is some imaginary number out there that everyone NEEDS to survive because there is no such thing as that number. All this number is, is high enough to put McD's in a position to say "go fukk yourself" and screw over real people, who were no where near as mad as the news is making it seem to be.

You're still pushing this bullshyt "living above their means rhetoric" ..when the minimum wage was implemented it was worth $22+/hr in today's money. Since then the cost of living has ran laps around it, everything went up in price except for wages. Are you saying that people back then didn't deserve $20+/hr or a living wage? Because the US you live in now would be a lot different than it is if people were paid the equivalent of $8/hr back then.

You also seem to have a problem with how people spend their hard earned money that they worked for.. There's a flaw in your logic. You don't get to use what people may to with their money as an excuse to underpay them. They work, the company pays them.. that's about as far as the exchange goes.

The economy thrives when working class spends money. The less money they have, the less they spend which is bad for the economy. Everyone is being underpaid, not just minimum wage workers, but as long as those lazy little people keep making less than me so I can retain the status quo of me feeling like I'm better than them and having the wage gap to prove it, I'll gladly keep getting fukked by these corporations... this is the mindset of people against the wage bump. How dare a person flipping burgers or a cashier make a few dollars less than me when I spent all this money for this degree? Well, you should be mad at whoever sold you that dream. Anyone working 40 hours a week should be paid a livable wage regardless of how little your employer values your labor.

It's not just about unskilled workers. Some of you don't understand that even if you let these people go homeless and starve to death as long as wages remain stagnant and the cost of living keeps rising it will eventually catch up to you... If people were just a little bit more empathetic towards each other they would realize just how much power people have as a whole against these corporations, but nah, they're more concerned about shytting on each other than standing with them for something that benefits everyone. This corporate brainwashing is in full effect, y'all doing their jobs for them

 

[mson]

You the only person that said that we need more unions. Too much private sector fukkery without oversight.